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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 15 Jun 17 11.42am |
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Originally posted by davidpercival
Corbyn's relationship with the IRA, insofar as it existed at all, was much more distant than that of the DUP leaders to the Protestant paramilitaries, whose main role was to kill Catholics for their religion after listening to the hate filled speeches of the DUP founder, Ian Paisley.
There is currently peace. Back then there were murders. And deaths on Englush soil. Who are you going to defend today?
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 15 Jun 17 11.46am |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Theresa May (who I don't particularly like,think she is a very poor leader),tried to bring in a law in 2014,any one trying g to re enter the country after fighting for IS..people who voted against it...yes you have guessed it.
Shame she was so keen to allow known extremists to shuttle between here and Libya to wage an insugency. The same extremists who went on to kill innocent people in the UK.
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Jun 17 12.30pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
There is currently peace. Back then there were murders. And deaths on Englush soil. Who are you going to defend today? I think it would be erroneous to believe that either sides paramilitary groups have ceased to exist, or that they've broken links with the main political players in Northern Ireland (and abroad). I'd be very surprised if the PIRA was anything other than stood down, and still in close association with Sinn Fein. Similarly the DUP in regards to the UDA and by proxy the UVF / UFF etc.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Jun 17 12.31pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Shame she was so keen to allow known extremists to shuttle between here and Libya to wage an insugency. The same extremists who went on to kill innocent people in the UK. Catch-22 of the mentality of 'the enemy of my enemy'.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 15 Jun 17 12.43pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
There is currently peace. Back then there were murders. And deaths on Englush soil. Who are you going to defend today? There is no need for any coalition with the DUP as John Major has pointed out that they can govern ok. In an extreme situation if all the opposition parties ganged up the government could be defeated but its difficult to think of them having common ground and the govt. would know if there was a danger of defeat and should head it off easily. To take any risk at all with the peace process says everything about the way we are governed by reckless and irresponsible tories.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 15 Jun 17 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
They were Sinn Fein meetings. Sinn Fein is the IRA.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Jun 17 10.05pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
There is no need for any coalition with the DUP as John Major has pointed out that they can govern ok. In an extreme situation if all the opposition parties ganged up the government could be defeated but its difficult to think of them having common ground and the govt. would know if there was a danger of defeat and should head it off easily. To take any risk at all with the peace process says everything about the way we are governed by reckless and irresponsible tories.
1. It's a 'confidence and supply' arrangement, not a coalition. 2. 'All the other parties' together wouldn't total a majority. 3. There may be spending offers that benefit Catholics and Protestants.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 16 Jun 17 10.27am |
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Lord jeremy anyone? Im thinking of crowdfunding to get enough to fill a paper bag, probably brown, and think jezza is more deserving for an honour, peacemaker, straight talking guy, an honest politician, says it how it is, very rare these days, very rare! Please give generously, dig deep. dig deep!
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Jun 17 10.43am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Sinn Fein is the IRA. Its the political wing of the Provisional IRA... and the DUP was the political wing of all manner of Loyalist terrorists. Of course the line is blurred. However, the Provisional IRA do not answer to Sinn Fein either, and neither does Sinn Fein answer to the PIRA (and the same applies with the DUP and loyalist paramilitaries). Northern Ireland Politics and the division from Paramilitaries is a blurred subject. I have no problem with people calling Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser, no one should be apologist for the PIRA, provided those same people are happy to say the same of May with the DUP.
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 16 Jun 17 10.46am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Its the political wing of the Provisional IRA... and the DUP was the political wing of all manner of Loyalist terrorists. Of course the line is blurred. However, the Provisional IRA do not answer to Sinn Fein either, and neither does Sinn Fein answer to the PIRA (and the same applies with the DUP and loyalist paramilitaries). Northern Ireland Politics and the division from Paramilitaries is a blurred subject. I have no problem with people calling Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser, no one should be apologist for the PIRA, provided those same people are happy to say the same of May with the DUP. indeedy,,indeedy!
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 16 Jun 17 10.48am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Its the political wing of the Provisional IRA... and the DUP was the political wing of all manner of Loyalist terrorists. Of course the line is blurred. However, the Provisional IRA do not answer to Sinn Fein either, and neither does Sinn Fein answer to the PIRA (and the same applies with the DUP and loyalist paramilitaries). Northern Ireland Politics and the division from Paramilitaries is a blurred subject. I have no problem with people calling Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser, no one should be apologist for the PIRA, provided those same people are happy to say the same of May with the DUP. But its only business if it means poropping up a government after all, only business!
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Jun 17 10.51am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
2. 'All the other parties' together wouldn't total a majority. 3. There may be spending offers that benefit Catholics and Protestants. Somehow this concerns me more. That effectively the Conservative party are buying the DUP's votes in order to push through an agenda that clearly isn't supported by the electorate (having called an election to establish that mandate in the first place). I'm an idealist though, and don't think we should need 'Majority' to form a government, because I expect politicians to work together to represent their constituents interests not their parties - and thrash out a compromise that would fit more than just one groups interest, and another groups fiscal benefits. But there I go again thinking that democracy is a thing, and that politicians could work like everyone else in the f**king world has to; together to get the f**king job done, without having a dick measuring contest and f**king the door knobs.
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