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DanH SW2 11 Jan 21 12.25pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I'd suggest waiting until after the inauguration to engage and have that chat. A lot of the main platforms outside of the 8kun/parlor etc. echo chambers (eg. facebook, twitter etc.) facilitating endless regurgitation of all this nonsense had been trimming back and removing groups etc. even before the latest clean up – it's not coincidental that certain posters have been posting on here with more regularity as a result. Gotta spread the word somehow. It's also mainly one way traffic, the methodology is to post post post, there's no debate as the sheep are not awake yet, so cannot be reasoned with. Notice they go quiet when certain things don't happen. You can expect that to happen after inauguration day. Gives time for the machine to come up with a new fantasy for them to obsess over. Endless reposting and copy pasting of propaganda rather than debate is also not particularly beneficial to anyone, and I'd argue not to the benefit of this or any thread. It's no different to a flat earther or reglious nut posting endless nonsense about why the earth is flat or why god is real. By all means have your belief system but don't endlessly force it on others. You can have a belief system and still be able to formulate your own opinions. Came across this interesting piece written by a game designer who has worked in alternate reality and cosplay/roleplay type games that crossover into the real world about why he believes QAnon has been so successful. I've been fascinated in the psychology behind it because it's clear that there's quite a few 'normal' people who seemed to have been hoodwinked by it and it's cultish draw must be very alluring. There's an awful lot in here which makes sense. Worth a read if you have 10 minutes spare.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Jan 21 12.27pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Came across this interesting piece written by a game designer who has worked in alternate reality and cosplay/roleplay type games that crossover into the real world about why he believes QAnon has been so successful. I've been fascinated in the psychology behind it because it's clear that there's quite a few 'normal' people who seemed to have been hoodwinked by it and it's cultish draw must be very alluring. There's an awful lot in here which makes sense. Worth a read if you have 10 minutes spare. You'll be telling me that Pokemon aren't real in a minute.
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DanH SW2 11 Jan 21 12.34pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
You'll be telling me that Pokemon aren't real in a minute. They will always be real.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Jan 21 12.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Oh...I see, referring to people's actions in the past and their actions now can just be dismissed as 'whataboutery'. As if that addresses anything at all. Cool. Ha. No – making your response only about what other people did or didn't do rather than responding to the content being debated is whataboutery. You an do that AND respond to it. Otherwise it just seems like deflecting For what it's worth I get your point, but seemingly suggesting Qanon is equivalent to Mueller and 'Russiagate' is a little perplexing. It's also not the 'hot topic' right now. That and not having a critical opinion about various Q nonsense because it might look like you're somehow coming across as soft to the 'Left'. Not particularly objective
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Jan 21 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Came across this interesting piece written by a game designer who has worked in alternate reality and cosplay/roleplay type games that crossover into the real world about why he believes QAnon has been so successful. I've been fascinated in the psychology behind it because it's clear that there's quite a few 'normal' people who seemed to have been hoodwinked by it and it's cultish draw must be very alluring. There's an awful lot in here which makes sense. Worth a read if you have 10 minutes spare. I think the stat is it takes between 3 - 6 months to completely indoctrinate someone on social media. Article is very interesting, compliments a couple of others that I've read recently along the same lines. The psychology isn't actually that 'new', but the method of delivery and subsequent affirmation very much is.
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Stirlingsays 11 Jan 21 12.41pm | |
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All this focus against QAnon. If belief systems aren't real apparently it's really important that they are closed down on the Internet....because they could convince people to be violent. Errrr.....religions are allowed to promote belief systems and people do violence chanting their beliefs pretty much every day....admittedly for some much more than for others. The left spend a lot of energy running cover for certain religions and think they are picked upon and they call people lots of nasty names for criticising them. Yet when it comes to QAnon.....oh so different. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jan 2021 12.43pm)
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Jan 21 12.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Whatever happens on the 20th it's going to show where the current state of the US actually is. That may be, but are we allowed to point out falsehoods that have not come to pass by the end of this date? Or as one poster has said because we don't '100% know for sure that it is fake then to enforce your view on someone else is no better than what they are doing.' So basically because I'm not in the Vatican with the Pope right now, and I can't see him and see that he's very much not arrested with my own eyes, then anything goes? TBF even if I could I'd get told I was in the matrix, hooked up to VR or looking at a hologram or some s***. On that 100% basis, everything is simultaneously fake and real at the same time because, really, unless you can see it with your own eyes you can't prove it to be 100% true or false. Mentalism. You can't function like that. Nothing can.
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Stirlingsays 11 Jan 21 12.46pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Ha. No – making your response only about what other people did or didn't do rather than responding to the content being debated is whataboutery. You an do that AND respond to it. Otherwise it just seems like deflecting For what it's worth I get your point, but seemingly suggesting Qanon is equivalent to Mueller and 'Russiagate' is a little perplexing. It's also not the 'hot topic' right now. That and not having a critical opinion about various Q nonsense because it might look like you're somehow coming across as soft to the 'Left'. Not particularly objective It's not 'only' about that. I've spoken about these issues in the past. The fact that I raise the 'whataboutery' aspect is that Qanon seems to be the only thing you guys want to talk about at the moment.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Jan 21 12.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
All this focus against QAnon. If belief systems aren't real apparently it's really important that they are closed down on the Internet....because they could convince people to be violent. Errrr.....religions are allowed to promote belief systems and people do violence chanting their beliefs pretty much every day....admittedly for some much more than for others. The left spend a lot of energy running cover for certain religions and think they are picked upon and they call people lots of nasty names for criticising them. Yet when it comes to QAnon.....oh so different. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jan 2021 12.43pm)
I have exactly the same opinions about religions. Christianity, Islam, Hindu, don't care. It's the same method, the same psychology and the same nonsense. However, if people believe something then fine, sure. If they start endlessly preaching (regurgitating content from others) rather than formulating opinion based on their beliefs, then that's an issue. If they simply choose to repost stuff they haven't written as their main form of communication / preaching, big problem. Happens all the time, it's not specific to QAnon. But this thread is being hijacked by QAnon. So guess what we're ridiculing. QAnon. Anyone's free to start preaching about islam, christianity, flat earth, or how pokemon are actually real any time they like. But it will be met with exactly the same derision. It's not a partisan issue for me.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Jan 21 12.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's not 'only' about that. I've spoken about these issues in the past. The fact that I raise the 'whataboutery' aspect is that Qanon seems to be the only thing you guys want to talk about at the moment. Because I'd rather be debating rational beings not preachy religious ones. And more importantly, the topic at hand. Also, whether you like it or not, QAnon is now inextricably linked to the right. You can thank Trump for that. So that is why it is being woven in to most conversations... because it is becoming the main vehicle for recruitment and messaging on the right of the spectrum (in the US anyway). The two are not separate entities anymore. But my main gripe is the posting method / value (or lack of it). Leaving that particular bot to the 21st to re-engage. May as well give the poor b****** a chance. Got to be objective and all that Edited by SW19 CPFC (11 Jan 2021 12.56pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 21 12.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yet, I saw little ridicule from the left over four years of Russiagate. Indeed, Wisbech Eagle spoke mostly about that conspiracy theory on this platform for years. I was telling him he was a kook for all that time.....I don't remember all these 'sensible people' joining me then. So I contend that this sudden energy to post about delusions and energy placed into misplaced theories is obviously driven by political tribalism more than anything else. If the delusion comes from an general anti Trump stance the silence is quite deafening.
So I'll speak about the involvement of the Russians in Trump's 2016 election (and Brexit) again then! It was not a conspiracy theory! People were prosecuted, found guilty and jailed as a consequence. Some have now been pardoned by Trump. Reflect on why! Trump was given a "get out of jail free" card by Barr when he ruled that a sitting POTUS could not be indicted. Mueller did not, as Trump claimed, exonerate him. As he said at the time if he had found no evidence against him he would have said so, but he didn't. This delusion that just because Trump slipped through the net after Mueller means that the accusations were all a conspiracy is a transparent nonsense. It simply means that justice has been postponed. It's now time that these delusions were laid to rest and reality allowed to creep back into the minds of even the most seriously affected. The events of last week must surely be sufficient evidence to start questioning past attitudes. Once the 20th is over and Barr feels able to speak more freely I am sure we will gradually learn some more. Russia were involved. Trump knew. Time will prove both.
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DanH SW2 11 Jan 21 12.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's not 'only' about that. I've spoken about these issues in the past. The fact that I raise the 'whataboutery' aspect is that Qanon seems to be the only thing you guys want to talk about at the moment. That's because it's been in the news a lot and posters on here have been quoting it. It seems to have gained quite a bit of traction, nothing more than that really. Think your point on religions is a fair one, it just seems to be another belief system. I'm just interested in the psychology in how it seems to have permeated through so successfully. Edited by DanH (11 Jan 2021 12.54pm)
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