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 npn  Crowborough 09 Jun 17 9.11am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sure, it turned out to be a bad decision. But make no mistake. Those that voted Corbyn are responsible for the mess that is to come. People can airbrush all they like but a spade is a spade. With all due respect (and you genuinely are a poster I respect) blaming the electorate for the way they voted is exactly what the remainers did, and they were wrong too. People vote with their conscience and if they didn't vote the way you wanted them to, then that's 100% down to the people in charge of getting the message across and convincing them they are correct.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 9.21am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Those who voted Corbyn are responsible for the mess to come....any shifting of responsibility is purely bluster. How's that, by not agreeing with you. Welcome to my eternal world of politics. That's the nature of democracy. You (or I) vote for what we're convinced is the best choice, and everyone else votes to f**k you with switchblades. If you let people have a choice, they'll make the 'wrong choice', but the problem really starts if you don't let them make the choices.
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| legaleagle 09 Jun 17 9.21am |
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Morning all
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 9.24am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I reject that. She's a bad campaigner but she has only one vote. Those who voted Corbyn are responsible for what is to come. Those who voted Conservative were responsible for putting in motion the events that led to this but then maybe Blair was responsible for setting up the demise of New Labour and then the shambles of John Majors last years...
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Jun 17 9.27am |
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Originally posted by europalace
What and huh?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 9.31am |
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I'm also reckoning that May's time as home secretary and policing cuts, didn't help what with recent terror attacks.
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| Mapletree Croydon 09 Jun 17 9.31am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I reject that. She's a bad campaigner but she has only one vote. Those who voted Corbyn are responsible for what is to come. Erm, how many votes does Corbyn have then? I blame Elizabeth the First, or Samuel Pepys, or Pitt the Younger or someone (anyone) else. In reality this started with internal strife in the Conservative Party. Cameron's response opened Pandora's Box, he was too weak to keep a lid on it.
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| thegreatlardino crawley/selsey 09 Jun 17 9.32am |
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the word of today is hubris
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 9.34am |
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I am a dyed-in-the wool Tory, a party member and I campaigned in this election. To be honest,I feel the whole Tory campaign was a huge disappointment and of course questions need to be asked of those concerned.What was the data they were working on in terms of 'Target Seats', poll ratings etc ? Were we targetting the right seats ? Nationally through the media the campaign was lacklustre - where were all the 'Big Hitters' in prominence on the TV ? Sole concentration was Theresa May and she never seemed that comfortable and not a 'Natural' in these situations like say David Cameron ? There was also the issue of the so called "U-Turns" since her leadership which made her look weak and wobbly. Also me and others were NOT happy about the manifesto at all and this could be one of the prime reason we never did as well as expected.Lots of issues ! Corbyn got away with it due to the sheer lack of challenges to his pie-in-the-sky promises and fantasy economics which the electorate in many cases fell for due to the inept Tory campaign. My goodness, £48 Billion expenditure, contributed to by just 5% of the population and swingeing increases in 'Corporation Taxes' hitting businesses which provide the wealth and jobs !!!! The way Labour are going about things today you would think they had actually won the election when they will be @ 60 seats behind the Conservatives so they are not the largest party !!! And they talk gibberish about forming a minority Government !!!! It is going to be very difficult for the PM and today Britain are the losers due to the sheer uncertainty of the political scene. I'm being totally honest - NOT a good Conservative campaign and NOT a good night for us, but by golly the electorate have been conned by promises Labour could never deliver. That's all I will say - I try and stay clear of political discussions on here for reasons I have explained. Edited by Willo (09 Jun 2017 9.51am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Jun 17 9.42am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The youth are more responsible for what is to come....certainly. But in reality anyone who voted for this takes responsibility for it. I thought Corbyn's politics might be around for a long while and with the power of social media its conquering the printed press. 'Show me a young Conservative and someone without a heart' etc and with 72% young voter turnout vs the usual 40% it's a big factor. I said and stand by being okay with them giving it a go if an election was called the moment it went belly up. Not just these voters but the parents of these voters won't remember the '70s so they have no idea how badly it can go. You just have to hope they do the right thing if it does. They have to win an election first and it looks like they might. Big problem is Corbyn will have us being subservient to the EU.
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Kermit8  Hevon 09 Jun 17 9.43am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I reject that. She's a bad campaigner but she has only one vote. Those who voted Corbyn are responsible for what is to come. "No more than 34% will Labour get" you said They got over 40% "....always wrong" Edited by Kermit8 (09 Jun 2017 9.44am)
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 Michaelawt85 Bexley 09 Jun 17 9.49am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Oh the irony I have ever discussed in any great depth here my political leanings or how I voted in the referendum. But it's a democracy. That's what everyone shouted from the rooftops last June. Good for them if that's what they want. They are the ones who will have to live it come good or bad. The youth were villified in the wake of brexit and told they were basically stupid, knew f*** all about life and had to suck it up as we were leaving. Now the pendulum has swung the other way. So old folk, suck it up and stop being little snowflakes. Teresa may saying she wouldn't call an election and then calling one harmed her immeasurably. It played straight to the stereotype that politicians say one thing and do another.
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