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Mapletree Croydon 30 Jan 23 1.10pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Some people want a two headed coin in every discussion. If the woman killed was unlucky so was George Floyd based on the same logic. What a load of manure is spouted by the usual suspects. Edited by HKOwen (30 Jan 2023 12.07pm) Did George Floyd attack a heavily armed centre of government in order to 'get at' the politicians behind a locked door then? I must have missed that. What I have seen from Ashli Babbitt is that she was in the company of a large group of rioters that mobbed three security officers. One punched out the windows to the left and right of an officer. She was at the very front of the crowd spurring them on. For some reason the security officers, who had been incredibly patient, moved out of the way. The mob then set about smashing through the doors towards the politicians, despite the obviously armed officer on the other side. I also note that a 'Tactical Officer' pointed his rifle at the person that shot Ms Babbitt but then appears to have decided he had the right to act as he did. Now, in the UK I don't think she would have been shot, although perhaps she would had she been smashing down the doors of the Houses of Parliament. Different rules apply when the special services are involved. But in the USA putting herself on the front line like that was sheer madness. On the other hand Floyd was, well, driving. And a very unconcerned looking officer appears to have chosen to kneel on his neck to the point where he died. To me, that is really a little different. But hey, I guess others see that somewhat differently for some reason.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jan 23 1.13pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Some people want a two headed coin in every discussion. If the woman killed was unlucky so was George Floyd based on the same logic. What a load of manure is spouted by the usual suspects. Edited by HKOwen (30 Jan 2023 12.07pm) Completely different set of circumstances, but Floyd was indeed unlucky to have been handled by those particular officers. Other, better trained, officers may well have avoided the outcome that befell him. The same applies to Babbitt. The judgement being made is on the behaviour of the officer(s) in each case. Was what they did wilful or were they, and those they were charged with protecting, under threat? The answers seem clear enough to me.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 30 Jan 23 3.53pm | |
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The police were called because Floyd passed a fake $20 note to the store. Your argument is that the woman killed in Washington had contributed to her demise by her actions, by the same measure do did Floyd. I don't expect anything other than hypocrisy and self serving narrative in reply, typical cake and eating it.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 30 Jan 23 3.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Did George Floyd attack a heavily armed centre of government in order to 'get at' the politicians behind a locked door then? I must have missed that. What I have seen from Ashli Babbitt is that she was in the company of a large group of rioters that mobbed three security officers. One punched out the windows to the left and right of an officer. She was at the very front of the crowd spurring them on. For some reason the security officers, who had been incredibly patient, moved out of the way. The mob then set about smashing through the doors towards the politicians, despite the obviously armed officer on the other side. I also note that a 'Tactical Officer' pointed his rifle at the person that shot Ms Babbitt but then appears to have decided he had the right to act as he did. Now, in the UK I don't think she would have been shot, although perhaps she would had she been smashing down the doors of the Houses of Parliament. Different rules apply when the special services are involved. But in the USA putting herself on the front line like that was sheer madness. But hey, I guess others see that somewhat differently for some reason. Incorrect surprisingly.
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Mapletree Croydon 30 Jan 23 4.08pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
The police were called because Floyd passed a fake note to the store. Your argument is that the woman killed in Washington had contributed to her demise by her actions, by the same measure do did Floyd. I don't expect anything other than hypocrisy and self serving narrative in reply, typical cake and eating it. In fact Floyd did not know it was a fake note according to the cashier to whom he passed it. So no, Floyd didn't knowingly contribute to his demise. And since when did passing a forged note result in a death sentence. How you can conflate that with being in a riot mob facing one of the most highly armed places in the US is just bizarre. Absolutely no comparison. And by the way in the US the death penalty can be imposed on defendants convicted of capital offenses including treason or the kidnapping of a Congressman.
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Mapletree Croydon 30 Jan 23 4.11pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Incorrect surprisingly. OK, sitting in a parked car.
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Stirlingsays 30 Jan 23 5.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
In fact Floyd did not know it was a fake note according to the cashier to whom he passed it. So no, Floyd didn't knowingly contribute to his demise. And since when did passing a forged note result in a death sentence. How you can conflate that with being in a riot mob facing one of the most highly armed places in the US is just bizarre. Absolutely no comparison. And by the way in the US the death penalty can be imposed on defendants convicted of capital offenses including treason or the kidnapping of a Congressman. I suspect she didn't want her store trashed....you know, by your oppressed social justice friends. How on earth would she know? What we do know however is that Floyd was a career criminal who was on overdose levels of fentanyl. The medical examiner concluded that George Floyd likely died of a fentanyl overdose. The autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Floyd died of asphyxiation but hey you know, just like your political brethren, the actual objective truth of a matter isn't important. Those in power on the left have their narratives and they will stick to them and it's rather obvious why. I bet all those people who lost property in the rioting and suffered attacks off the back of this event must really love you lot.
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Mapletree Croydon 30 Jan 23 6.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I suspect she didn't want her store trashed....you know, by your oppressed social justice friends. How on earth would she know? What we do know however is that Floyd was a career criminal who was on overdose levels of fentanyl. The medical examiner concluded that George Floyd likely died of a fentanyl overdose. The autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Floyd died of asphyxiation but hey you know, just like your political brethren, the actual objective truth of a matter isn't important. Those in power on the left have their narratives and they will stick to them and it's rather obvious why. I bet all those people who lost property in the rioting and suffered attacks off the back of this event must really love you lot.
Hmm. You believe you are so well informed? The store assistant was a he and he knew George well. Felt sorry for him apparently. And as for the other nonsense, maybe read the autopsies: The Hennepin County medical examiner's office ruled Floyd's death was a homicide caused by "cardiopulmonary arrest" complicated by "restraint, and neck compression" while he was being subdued by police. Medical Examiner Andrew Baker testified that the way officers held Floyd down and compressed his neck while restraining him "was just more than Mr. Floyd could take," given the condition of his heart. Similarly, an independent autopsy commissioned by Floyd's family ruled "asphyxiation from sustained pressure was the cause" of Floyd's death.
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Stirlingsays 30 Jan 23 7.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Hmm. You believe you are so well informed? The store assistant was a he and he knew George well. Felt sorry for him apparently. And as for the other nonsense, maybe read the autopsies: The Hennepin County medical examiner's office ruled Floyd's death was a homicide caused by "cardiopulmonary arrest" complicated by "restraint, and neck compression" while he was being subdued by police. Medical Examiner Andrew Baker testified that the way officers held Floyd down and compressed his neck while restraining him "was just more than Mr. Floyd could take," given the condition of his heart. Similarly, an independent autopsy commissioned by Floyd's family ruled "asphyxiation from sustained pressure was the cause" of Floyd's death. I repeat, the same examiner you quote stated, 'the autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation.' That same Hennepin County Attorney’s office on June 1 indicated that chief medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker, who listed Floyd’s death as a homicide, thought the amount of fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was “pretty high” and could be “a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances.” He went on to state that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death. This to me suggests a medical decision that has been affected by the political. He literally left the door open for himself and smacks of someone looking to protect himself and the institution from those kind noble oppressed social justice rioters you love so much. As for an 'independent' autopsy paid for by the family....oh please. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jan 2023 7.16pm)
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cryrst The garden of England 30 Jan 23 7.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There is already a Congressional enquiry underway which, with the House now under Republican control, will likely shift its emphasis and try to allocate blame to anyone but Trump. So blaming the Capitol police looks a very likely scenario to me. Again you involve trump! Can you not isolate anything bad USA away from the man !
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Mapletree Croydon 30 Jan 23 8.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I repeat, the same examiner you quote stated, 'the autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation.' That same Hennepin County Attorney’s office on June 1 indicated that chief medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker, who listed Floyd’s death as a homicide, thought the amount of fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was “pretty high” and could be “a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances.” He went on to state that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death. This to me suggests a medical decision that has been affected by the political. He literally left the door open for himself and smacks of someone looking to protect himself and the institution from those kind noble oppressed social justice rioters you love so much. As for an 'independent' autopsy paid for by the family....oh please. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jan 2023 7.16pm) Presumably the Fentanyl would have affected his heart. But it isn't what killed him according to the medical examiner. It may have made him more killable, maybe the Police Officer could have taken note of the fella actually saying that was what he was doing. The Fentanyl didn't kill him, that is clear from the examiner's report. He had a heart attack brought on no doubt by a variety of issues but a major one was having his neck kneeled on, even you can't disagree with that.
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cryrst The garden of England 30 Jan 23 8.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Hmm. You believe you are so well informed? The store assistant was a he and he knew George well. Felt sorry for him apparently. And as for the other nonsense, maybe read the autopsies: The Hennepin County medical examiner's office ruled Floyd's death was a homicide caused by "cardiopulmonary arrest" complicated by "restraint, and neck compression" while he was being subdued by police. Medical Examiner Andrew Baker testified that the way officers held Floyd down and compressed his neck while restraining him "was just more than Mr. Floyd could take," given the condition of his heart. Similarly, an independent autopsy commissioned by Floyd's family ruled "asphyxiation from sustained pressure was the cause" of Floyd's death. Felt sorry enough to ring the plod about said fake note though. Another protecting their business rather than have it trashed by telling the truth maybe ! Although if someone poked a gun in my pregnant wife’s tummy what I would hope for them isn’t really right to post! Edited by cryrst (30 Jan 2023 8.07pm)
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