Nothing new this has been discussed for decades.

There is a very good argument for Puerto Rica assuming the people vote for it they already have "representatives in congress". I think the main reason it hasn't happened is that like Scotland they are a taker so I am not sure how the US taxpayer will feel picking up that extra bill.

The point about DC is that it is supposed to be neutral in politics so that was how it was designed. It is true that if you live in DC you are somewhat disfranchised, so don't live there.

Just found this on Wiki very relevant as to why DC was created.

"In 1783, a crowd of disbanded Revolutionary War soldiers angry about not having been paid gathered to protest outside the building where the Continental Congress was meeting. The soldiers blocked the door and initially refused to allow the delegates to leave.

Despite requests from the Congress, the Pennsylvania state government declined to call out its militia to deal with the unruly mob, and so Congress was forced to abruptly adjourn to New Jersey. This led to the widespread belief that Congress needed control over the national capital.

As Madison wrote in The Federalist No. 43, "Without it, not only the public authority might be insulted and its proceedings interrupted with impunity; but a dependence of the members of the general government on the State comprehending the seat of the government, for protection in the exercise of their duty, might bring on the national councils an imputation of awe or influence, equally dishonorable to the government and dissatisfactory to the other members of the Confederacy." This belief resulted in the creation of a national capital, separate from any state, by the Constitution's District Clause.[1]""

Edited by Badger11 (11 Jan 2021 11.04am)

Yes, but it’s only fake news in your opinion. Unless you 100% know for sure that it is fake then to enforce your view on someone else is no better than what they are doing. Too many consider themselves the thought police in the modern world.

I'd suggest waiting until after the inauguration to engage and have that chat. A lot of the main platforms outside of the 8kun/parlor etc. echo chambers (eg. facebook, twitter etc.) facilitating endless regurgitation of all this nonsense had been trimming back and removing groups etc. even before the latest clean up – it's not coincidental that certain posters have been posting on here with more regularity as a result. Gotta spread the word somehow.

It's also mainly one way traffic, the methodology is to post post post, there's no debate as the sheep are not awake yet, so cannot be reasoned with. Notice they go quiet when certain things don't happen. You can expect that to happen after inauguration day. Gives time for the machine to come up with a new fantasy for them to obsess over.

Endless reposting and copy pasting of propaganda rather than debate is also not particularly beneficial to anyone, and I'd argue not to the benefit of this or any thread. It's no different to a flat earther or reglious nut posting endless nonsense about why the earth is flat or why god is real. By all means have your belief system but don't endlessly force it on others.

You can have a belief system and still be able to formulate your own opinions.

Yes, but it’s only fake news in your opinion. Unless you 100% know for sure that it is fake then to enforce your view on someone else is no better than what they are doing. Too many consider themselves the thought police in the modern world.

I was referring to your comments where you said

"I would think he would have been a bit concerned for the security he knew there but also initially pleased at the power he has.

He has genuine power that doesn't require orders to military. "

An acknowledgement that he wields force through his supporters without the need for military. Confirmation that he holds a level of influence and, as it's his power, responsibility based on the direction of his rhetoric.

In the direct aftermath of this, acting like it's in fact those who politically or legally 'go after' Trump that should be the ones watching their behaviour in is a nod to the types who have just wrecked havoc. Terrorists. Cop killers.

Sort your head out.

What any of us think isn't really going to change anything. I seriously doubt that there will be a civil war during next four years though. I do however have concerns that the inauguration and elected political representatives may more readily become targets of domestic terrorists. Those storming Capitol Hill, or burning down inner cities appear to see all of this as 'power to the people'. Attacking politicians though would likely soon lead to consequences and legislation that would impact everyone by magnitudes more than anything that had come before it, and dwarf any imagined upside.

Hence why I feel that ideas, which I have stated (no fence!) that are proven elsewhere and more aligned with at least a degree of common cause rather than what we currently have (its exact opposite) are useful discussion points and possible realities. You might not agree, but that's primarily because your wayward politics appears geared towards envisioning a much more chaotic future, to the point where from your reactions to events I question whether you'd even be unhappy with that. Who knows maybe you'll be right, but if so it'll be more a case of self fulfilling prophecy than absolute inevitability.