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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 12 Jul 16 7.19pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What can you possibly have a plan for in the context of the referendum result? The first hurdle of winning the Referendum has been achieved and we know that there will have to be a negotiated settlement when the government is ready to start the process. The aims of Brexit are clear and it is up to the government to do their best to achieve them. You keep asking these daft questions knowing full well that they are meaningless in the real world. . I don't think that's true. The leave vote was a vote against the EU, it wasn't for anything. That's why I think there's a case for at least an election, and possibly a referendum on the terms of leave. Leave means different things to different people and individuals will have different motives. As you'll have seen, the Leave campaign have said that leaving won't necessarily mean there is £350m a week for the NHS or anything else, and that migration might not fall at all. If that's the case, won't many who voted to leave feel cheated if we're part of the EAA (freedom of movement, access to single market, pay money to EU, no say)? A one and a two...
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tome

Inner Tantalus Time. 12 Jul 16 7.19pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What can you possibly have a plan for in the context of the referendum result?
The first hurdle of winning the Referendum has been achieved and we know that there will have to be a negotiated settlement when the government is ready to start the process. The aims of Brexit are clear and it is up to the government to do their best to achieve them.

You keep asking these daft questions knowing full well that they are meaningless in the real world.
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I don't think that's true. The leave vote was a vote against the EU, it wasn't for anything.

That's why I think there's a case for at least an election, and possibly a referendum on the terms of leave. Leave means different things to different people and individuals will have different motives.

As you'll have seen, the Leave campaign have said that leaving won't necessarily mean there is £350m a week for the NHS or anything else, and that migration might not fall at all. If that's the case, won't many who voted to leave feel cheated if we're part of the EAA (freedom of movement, access to single market, pay money to EU, no say)?

A one and a two...

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 12 Jul 16 7.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You have spent too much time on the BB*. But please don't let me stop you going back there ASAP. I think we can all agree that this is the worst thing that's been said on this thread :-) I'd rather leave the EU than go back to the BBS. Just. Hrolf, if you think it's naive to think that elections should be about reality and not concepts, then feel free to consign people like me who deal with facts, evidence and the resulting projections all day long to the realms of cloud cuckoo land. We have no idea and we're making it all up, clearly. Just like the Leave media cheerleaders. Edited by Mr_Gristle (12 Jul 2016 7.32pm) Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 12 Jul 16 7.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have spent too much time on the BB*.

But please don't let me stop you going back there ASAP.

I think we can all agree that this is the worst thing that's been said on this thread :-)

I'd rather leave the EU than go back to the BBS. Just.

Hrolf, if you think it's naive to think that elections should be about reality and not concepts, then feel free to consign people like me who deal with facts, evidence and the resulting projections all day long to the realms of cloud cuckoo land. We have no idea and we're making it all up, clearly.

Just like the Leave media cheerleaders.

Edited by Mr_Gristle (12 Jul 2016 7.32pm)

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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the.universal 12 Jul 16 7.26pm
Question for the Brexiteers: what would define a good settlement in terms of our break from the EU? The 'have your cake and eat it' scenario to me would be; access to the EU market on the same terms as currently (for free); no freedom of movement for EU nationals in the UK; freedom of movement for UK citizens in other EU countries. Now, as it's a negotiation, clearly we'll not get all of those things. Which would people be willing to compromise on? Vive le Roy!
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the.universal 12 Jul 16 7.26pm

Question for the Brexiteers: what would define a good settlement in terms of our break from the EU?

The 'have your cake and eat it' scenario to me would be; access to the EU market on the same terms as currently (for free); no freedom of movement for EU nationals in the UK; freedom of movement for UK citizens in other EU countries.

Now, as it's a negotiation, clearly we'll not get all of those things. Which would people be willing to compromise on?

Vive le Roy!

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 16 7.32pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle I think we can all agree that this is the worst thing that's been said on this thread :-) I'd rather leave the EU than go back to the BBS. Just. Hrolf, if you think it's naive to think that elections should be about reality and not concepts, then feel free to consign people like me who deal with facts all day long to the realms of cloud cuckoo land. We have no idea and we're making it all up, clearly. Just like the Leave media cheerleaders. What are these facts that you allude to?
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

I think we can all agree that this is the worst thing that's been said on this thread :-)

I'd rather leave the EU than go back to the BBS. Just.

Hrolf, if you think it's naive to think that elections should be about reality and not concepts, then feel free to consign people like me who deal with facts all day long to the realms of cloud cuckoo land. We have no idea and we're making it all up, clearly.

Just like the Leave media cheerleaders.

What are these facts that you allude to?

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 16 7.34pm
Originally posted by tome I don't think that's true. The leave vote was a vote against the EU, it wasn't for anything. That's why I think there's a case for at least an election, and possibly a referendum on the terms of leave. Leave means different things to different people and individuals will have different motives. As you'll have seen, the Leave campaign have said that leaving won't necessarily mean there is £350m a week for the NHS or anything else, and that migration might not fall at all. If that's the case, won't many who voted to leave feel cheated if we're part of the EAA (freedom of movement, access to single market, pay money to EU, no say)? Keep dreaming.
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Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jul 16 7.34pm

Originally posted by tome

I don't think that's true. The leave vote was a vote against the EU, it wasn't for anything.

That's why I think there's a case for at least an election, and possibly a referendum on the terms of leave. Leave means different things to different people and individuals will have different motives.

Keep dreaming.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Jul 16 7.35pm
Originally posted by the.universal Question for the Brexiteers: what would define a good settlement in terms of our break from the EU? The 'have your cake and eat it' scenario to me would be; access to the EU market on the same terms as currently (for free); no freedom of movement for EU nationals in the UK; freedom of movement for UK citizens in other EU countries. Now, as it's a negotiation, clearly we'll not get all of those things. Which would people be willing to compromise on? A big cut in cheap imported Labour. Freedom of movement into the UK with a firm job offer or an actual further education place which is not open to abuse by agencies and other parasites. But no more Scousers. No more calls for a 2nd referendum. Only opposition style debate which I would like to think Hislop referred to on QT. If there was a 2nd ref we'd deny Scotland the vote. No more repetitive questions from nickgusset on why isn't there a plan/why don't we know what's going to happen/why isn't it happening now/are we nearly there yet/can we see the sea yet? What might we get? Probably more chance to apply the brakes on immigration if public services are stretched which means nothing really. More Scousers, more ref moaning, more questions from Nick et al asking the obvious. Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Jul 2016 7.40pm) COYP
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Caterham 12 Jul 16 7.35pm

Originally posted by the.universal

Question for the Brexiteers: what would define a good settlement in terms of our break from the EU?

Now, as it's a negotiation, clearly we'll not get all of those things. Which would people be willing to compromise on?

A big cut in cheap imported Labour.

Freedom of movement into the UK with a firm job offer or an actual further education place which is not open to abuse by agencies and other parasites.

But no more Scousers.

No more calls for a 2nd referendum. Only opposition style debate which I would like to think Hislop referred to on QT. If there was a 2nd ref we'd deny Scotland the vote.

No more repetitive questions from nickgusset on why isn't there a plan/why don't we know what's going to happen/why isn't it happening now/are we nearly there yet/can we see the sea yet?

What might we get? Probably more chance to apply the brakes on immigration if public services are stretched which means nothing really. More Scousers, more ref moaning, more questions from Nick et al asking the obvious.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Jul 2016 7.40pm)

COYP

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 7.37pm
Originally posted by elgrande I to agree with you cucking, the one thing I hated about the government at the time. However I think the main reason all the utilities were sold off is because so much money needed to be spent on them to bring them up to date. But in an ideal world they should all be back in our hands. Who is the only mainstream politician with getting services back under public control as part of their agenda?
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Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 7.37pm

Originally posted by elgrande

I to agree with you cucking, the one thing I hated about the government at the time.
However I think the main reason all the utilities were sold off is because so much money needed to be spent on them to bring them up to date.
But in an ideal world they should all be back in our hands.

Who is the only mainstream politician with getting services back under public control as part of their agenda?

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 16 7.38pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Who is the only mainstream politician with getting services back under public control as part of their agenda? How is he going to pay for it?
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12 Jul 16 7.38pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Who is the only mainstream politician with getting services back under public control as part of their agenda?

How is he going to pay for it?

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Jul 16 7.39pm
Originally posted by tome I don't think that's true. The leave vote was a vote against the EU, it wasn't for anything. That's why I think there's a case for at least an election, and possibly a referendum on the terms of leave. Leave means different things to different people and individuals will have different motives. As you'll have seen, the Leave campaign have said that leaving won't necessarily mean there is £350m a week for the NHS or anything else, and that migration might not fall at all. If that's the case, won't many who voted to leave feel cheated if we're part of the EAA (freedom of movement, access to single market, pay money to EU, no say)? Nobody said there would be £350 million per week for the NHS. It said "Let's fund our NHS." Who has said immigration might not fall at all from the leave camp? I don't recall Boris, Gove, Leadsom saying it. May hasn't said it. Who has? COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Jul 16 7.39pm

Originally posted by tome

I don't think that's true. The leave vote was a vote against the EU, it wasn't for anything.

Nobody said there would be £350 million per week for the NHS. It said "Let's fund our NHS."

Who has said immigration might not fall at all from the leave camp? I don't recall Boris, Gove, Leadsom saying it. May hasn't said it. Who has?

COYP

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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 12 Jul 16 7.42pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Keep dreaming. So, you won't feel cheated if we have the EAA option? What would be the point in that? A one and a two...
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tome

Inner Tantalus Time. 12 Jul 16 7.42pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Keep dreaming.

So, you won't feel cheated if we have the EAA option? What would be the point in that?

A one and a two...

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Jul 16 7.42pm
Originally posted by the.universal Question for the Brexiteers: what would define a good settlement in terms of our break from the EU? The 'have your cake and eat it' scenario to me would be; access to the EU market on the same terms as currently (for free); no freedom of movement for EU nationals in the UK; freedom of movement for UK citizens in other EU countries. Now, as it's a negotiation, clearly we'll not get all of those things. Which would people be willing to compromise on? I.D cards for Scottish. Mass immigration of the world's poor and cheaper labour to Eastern Europe? COYP
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Caterham 12 Jul 16 7.42pm

Originally posted by the.universal

Question for the Brexiteers: what would define a good settlement in terms of our break from the EU?

Now, as it's a negotiation, clearly we'll not get all of those things. Which would people be willing to compromise on?

I.D cards for Scottish.

Mass immigration of the world's poor and cheaper labour to Eastern Europe?

COYP

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 7.42pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger How is he going to pay for it? He has laid out plans for a sort of quantitative easing but for infrastructure and public services rather than bailing out the financial institutions that got us in this s*** in the first place.
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Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 7.42pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How is he going to pay for it?

He has laid out plans for a sort of quantitative easing but for infrastructure and public services rather than bailing out the financial institutions that got us in this s*** in the first place.

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