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Teddy Eagle 23 Oct 21 10.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What are you going on about? Of course, sitting around doing nothing but sing hopeful songs won't work. And of course we need to detect and punish criminals. No-one argues any differentlyThe argument is about how you treat the overwhelming majority of law abiding, decent people who just happen to believe in, or have a cultural link to, islam. Some here wish to lump everybody together and put Islam in the dock. Which I argue is counter-productive and would make matters much worse. Our country's general strategy is a gradual integration via education, which seems the most sensible and achievable long-term solution. For which I see no viable alternative. Going hard after the criminals is something I fully support. But not after the innocent. Once again this isn't the point. No one wants to demonise innocent people. The issue is that cultural sensibilities don't matter when the law has been broken. Robinson made some allegations which were correct but they were dismissed and many more girls suffered as a result.
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Teddy Eagle 23 Oct 21 10.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When looking back in anger achieves nothing but hot air, then it's worse than a waste of time. Anger solves nothing. Only a clear head and a well-thought-out long-term strategy can succeed. So no more pulling down the statues of historic characters. Fine. Forgive and forget is the watchword.
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Teddy Eagle 23 Oct 21 10.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It won't. There is not the remotest chance of any Muslim nation having the capacity to invade us. They have neither the firepower or logistics to do it. It's a non-starter. What we have to fear most is nuclear terrorism. That's a real threat. Why assume it would be a military invasion?
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Oct 21 10.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Once again this isn't the point. No one wants to demonise innocent people. The issue is that cultural sensibilities don't matter when the law has been broken. Robinson made some allegations which were correct but they were dismissed and many more girls suffered as a result. What needs to understood is that there is a certain type of person who would rather attack people that they perceive to be on the Right of politics rather than ever recognize the many problems that immigration has brought to our door, or accept that sometimes the safety of British citizens comes before tolerance'. In effect, they tolerate the intolerant and undesirable, while decrying anyone who doesn't. They put ideology above all things.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Oct 21 11.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Once again this isn't the point. No one wants to demonise innocent people. The issue is that cultural sensibilities don't matter when the law has been broken. Robinson made some allegations which were correct but they were dismissed and many more girls suffered as a result. That's not the issue though is it? Of course, cultural issues don't matter when the law is broken. I have never argued otherwise and reinforce that now. The law applies to all. Yaxley-Lennon did not simply "make some accusations". If he truly wanted to help, and had evidence that would have assisted the authorities, there are ways to have done so quietly and effectively. Y-L has another agenda. He is an attention-seeking rabble rouser who likes to wind up a certain segment of society, then claim he needs funds to continue his "Work". He has done very well out of this and, so far as I am aware, has not donated a penny to any of the abused children he claims to care about. He is a fraud.
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Stirlingsays 23 Oct 21 11.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Why assume it would be a military invasion?
What happened to this country and Europe post WW2 is shocking. Designed and deliberate. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2021 11.28pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Oct 21 11.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So no more pulling down the statues of historic characters. Fine. Forgive and forget is the watchword. That though isn't just looking back in anger, as the statues are there today and, unless their history is re-examined and suitably described, there is a danger that wrong messages will be received. That said I am not in favour of them being pulled down. Often where they are is part of the overall context of their history. So long as the whole story is told, and the reader allowed to reach their own conclusions, I am content.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Oct 21 11.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Why assume it would be a military invasion? What other sort do you have in mind? Immigration is controlled. Not always that well, but immigrants cannot "invade" us, despite the fevered ramblings of at least one poster here. Cyber activity would be terrorism and not an invasion.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Oct 21 11.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What needs to understood is that there is a certain type of person who would rather attack people that they perceive to be on the Right of politics rather than ever recognize the many problems that immigration has brought to our door, or accept that sometimes the safety of British citizens comes before tolerance'. In effect, they tolerate the intolerant and undesirable, while decrying anyone who doesn't. They put ideology above all things. The vast majority of the people you criticise are themselves British citizens. Just not ones that look like you. Are we in Animal Farm country? Are some animals more equal than other animals? Or are all animals not equal in the first place?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Oct 21 11.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What happened to this country and Europe post WW2 is shocking. Designed and deliberate. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2021 11.28pm) What has happened to this country and Europe post WW2 is that we have avoided WW3. That's not the least shocking. It's a great achievement, but it has been designed and deliberate.
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Teddy Eagle 23 Oct 21 11.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's not the issue though is it? Of course, cultural issues don't matter when the law is broken. I have never argued otherwise and reinforce that now. The law applies to all. Yaxley-Lennon did not simply "make some accusations". If he truly wanted to help, and had evidence that would have assisted the authorities, there are ways to have done so quietly and effectively. Y-L has another agenda. He is an attention-seeking rabble rouser who likes to wind up a certain segment of society, then claim he needs funds to continue his "Work". He has done very well out of this and, so far as I am aware, has not donated a penny to any of the abused children he claims to care about. He is a fraud. The girls who were saved by his intervention won’t care about his credentials. I don’t know anything about Robinson’s intentions but Maggie Oliver’s example in Rochdale shows that “assisting the authorities” didn’t work.
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Teddy Eagle 24 Oct 21 1.53am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The vast majority of the people you criticise are themselves British citizens. Just not ones that look like you. Are we in Animal Farm country? Are some animals more equal than other animals? Or are all animals not equal in the first place? Including Tommy Robinson?
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