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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 5.40pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm not responding any more. We are two weeks in and your debating skills have dropped to a sub par level. With perhaps the exception of Boris pulling out of the race without a whimper, nothing has happened or not happened that wasn't totally predictable...and you know it. Says the one who has blatantly lied, answers questions with questions and resorts to ad hominem insults.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 5.40pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not responding any more. We are two weeks in and your debating skills have dropped to a sub par level.

With perhaps the exception of Boris pulling out of the race without a whimper, nothing has happened or not happened that wasn't totally predictable...and you know it.

Says the one who has blatantly lied, answers questions with questions and resorts to ad hominem insults.

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 16 5.44pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Says the one who has blatantly lied, answers questions with questions and resorts to ad hominem insults. You have spent too much time on the BB*. But please don't let me stop you going back there ASAP.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Says the one who has blatantly lied, answers questions with questions and resorts to ad hominem insults.

You have spent too much time on the BB*.

But please don't let me stop you going back there ASAP.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Jul 16 5.45pm
Originally posted by nickgusset For something that's not started a lot has happened. New pm, all the champions of leave have left, The SNP ain't happy as they say Scotland voted yes, more and more evidence of lying in both campaigns are the first things I can think of, all caused by the result of a vote to leave. Add the oh we don't have an actual plan line that isbeing given out. We don't have a cabinet and the PM hasn't taken over yet. At some point after the cabinet has settled in and more details are set out within cabinet, Article 50 will be invoked. Then, or just before, behind closed doors, there'll be negotiations. Does that answer? Anyway, you cannot plan completely before something so uncertain of what and how much will be in your favour, can you? So what is the point of planning when you do not know this? If you were to plan and illustrate it in a diagram it'd be a flow chart with so many branches it would like an incestuous family tree on Eastenders. They can plan on who will take on what and what their approach will be, but cannot plan beyond that. I don't know why there has to be pages of posts moaning about this as it's quite obvious and something that you'll have to wait for. Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Jul 2016 5.47pm) COYP
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Caterham 12 Jul 16 5.45pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

For something that's not started a lot has happened. New pm, all the champions of leave have left, The SNP ain't happy as they say Scotland voted yes, more and more evidence of lying in both campaigns are the first things I can think of, all caused by the result of a vote to leave. Add the oh we don't have an actual plan line that isbeing given out.

We don't have a cabinet and the PM hasn't taken over yet. At some point after the cabinet has settled in and more details are set out within cabinet, Article 50 will be invoked. Then, or just before, behind closed doors, there'll be negotiations. Does that answer?

Anyway, you cannot plan completely before something so uncertain of what and how much will be in your favour, can you? So what is the point of planning when you do not know this? If you were to plan and illustrate it in a diagram it'd be a flow chart with so many branches it would like an incestuous family tree on Eastenders.

They can plan on who will take on what and what their approach will be, but cannot plan beyond that. I don't know why there has to be pages of posts moaning about this as it's quite obvious and something that you'll have to wait for.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Jul 2016 5.47pm)

COYP

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 6.07pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You have spent too much time on the BB*. But please don't let me stop you going back there ASAP. No substance again. Good work.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 6.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have spent too much time on the BB*.

But please don't let me stop you going back there ASAP.

No substance again. Good work.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 6.10pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman We don't have a cabinet and the PM hasn't taken over yet. At some point after the cabinet has settled in and more details are set out within cabinet, Article 50 will be invoked. Then, or just before, behind closed doors, there'll be negotiations. Does that answer? Anyway, you cannot plan completely before something so uncertain of what and how much will be in your favour, can you? So what is the point of planning when you do not know this? If you were to plan and illustrate it in a diagram it'd be a flow chart with so many branches it would like an incestuous family tree on Eastenders. They can plan on who will take on what and what their approach will be, but cannot plan beyond that. I don't know why there has to be pages of posts moaning about this as it's quite obvious and something that you'll have to wait for. Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Jul 2016 5.47pm) So why didn't they say there was no plan before the referendum?
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Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 6.10pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Jul 2016 5.47pm)

So why didn't they say there was no plan before the referendum?

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Jul 16 6.20pm
Originally posted by nickgusset So why didn't they say there was no plan before the referendum? The leave camp were not the govt or cabinet and couldn't. If they did they'd be criticised for it. May and the soon to be cabinet couldn't undermine Cameron and didn't even know who would be PM or in cabinet. The only people who could plan anything was Cameron and Osbourne and not even they could plan anything beyond negotiations. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Jul 16 6.20pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So why didn't they say there was no plan before the referendum?

The leave camp were not the govt or cabinet and couldn't. If they did they'd be criticised for it.

May and the soon to be cabinet couldn't undermine Cameron and didn't even know who would be PM or in cabinet.

The only people who could plan anything was Cameron and Osbourne and not even they could plan anything beyond negotiations.

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 16 6.22pm
Originally posted by nickgusset So why didn't they say there was no plan before the referendum? What can you possibly have a plan for in the context of the referendum result? The first hurdle of winning the Referendum has been achieved and we know that there will have to be a negotiated settlement when the government is ready to start the process. The aims of Brexit are clear and it is up to the government to do their best to achieve them. You keep asking these daft questions knowing full well that they are meaningless in the real world. .
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12 Jul 16 6.22pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So why didn't they say there was no plan before the referendum?

What can you possibly have a plan for in the context of the referendum result?
The first hurdle of winning the Referendum has been achieved and we know that there will have to be a negotiated settlement when the government is ready to start the process. The aims of Brexit are clear and it is up to the government to do their best to achieve them.

You keep asking these daft questions knowing full well that they are meaningless in the real world.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 6.26pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman The leave camp were not the govt or cabinet and couldn't. If they did they'd be criticised for it. May and the soon to be cabinet couldn't undermine Cameron and didn't even know who would be PM or in cabinet. The only people who could plan anything was Cameron and Osbourne and not even they could plan anything beyond negotiations. How are we going to take back our country then? That's what the leave campaign was based on from my recollection. I'd wrest control of British services (gas, leccy, water and railways) from foreign, yet heavily subsidised by the uk taxpayer, ownership and nationalise them for starters. Can anyone see May getting our country back in this way.
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Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 6.26pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The leave camp were not the govt or cabinet and couldn't. If they did they'd be criticised for it.

May and the soon to be cabinet couldn't undermine Cameron and didn't even know who would be PM or in cabinet.

The only people who could plan anything was Cameron and Osbourne and not even they could plan anything beyond negotiations.

How are we going to take back our country then? That's what the leave campaign was based on from my recollection.

I'd wrest control of British services (gas, leccy, water and railways) from foreign, yet heavily subsidised by the uk taxpayer, ownership and nationalise them for starters.

Can anyone see May getting our country back in this way.

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 16 6.36pm
Originally posted by nickgusset How are we going to take back our country then? That's what the leave campaign was based on from my recollection. I'd wrest control of British services (gas, leccy, water and railways) from foreign, yet heavily subsidised by the uk taxpayer, ownership and nationalise them for starters. Can anyone see May getting our country back in this way. You do understand the concept of politics right? Ask me grown up questions and I might answer. I would happily see the railways renationalised but that will cost the tax payer who never gets on a train. I know you Labour lot like to borrow, borrow, borrow and then let the Tories clear up your mess but despite the appeal, try and remember what Britain was like pre Thatcher, before privatisation and when unions held us all to ransom on a weekly basis. Are you old Enough? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jul 2016 6.39pm)
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12 Jul 16 6.36pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

How are we going to take back our country then? That's what the leave campaign was based on from my recollection.

I'd wrest control of British services (gas, leccy, water and railways) from foreign, yet heavily subsidised by the uk taxpayer, ownership and nationalise them for starters.

Can anyone see May getting our country back in this way.

You do understand the concept of politics right?

Ask me grown up questions and I might answer.

I would happily see the railways renationalised but that will cost the tax payer who never gets on a train.

I know you Labour lot like to borrow, borrow, borrow and then let the Tories clear up your mess but despite the appeal, try and remember what Britain was like pre Thatcher, before privatisation and when unions held us all to ransom on a weekly basis.

Are you old Enough?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jul 2016 6.39pm)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 12 Jul 16 6.40pm
Originally posted by nickgusset How are we going to take back our country then? That's what the leave campaign was based on from my recollection. I'd wrest control of British services (gas, leccy, water and railways) from foreign, yet heavily subsidised by the uk taxpayer, ownership and nationalise them for starters. Can anyone see May getting our country back in this way. Would that be with or without compensation? Vastly expensive if the former, unwise if the latter. It'd be easy with the train companies as you could just claw back franchises as they expire but sacking off the likes of nPower and e-on could be problematic. One of the few things I'll always agree with you about is that essential infrastructure should not be in private hands and especially not in foreign ones. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 12 Jul 16 6.40pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

How are we going to take back our country then? That's what the leave campaign was based on from my recollection.

I'd wrest control of British services (gas, leccy, water and railways) from foreign, yet heavily subsidised by the uk taxpayer, ownership and nationalise them for starters.

Can anyone see May getting our country back in this way.

Would that be with or without compensation? Vastly expensive if the former, unwise if the latter.

It'd be easy with the train companies as you could just claw back franchises as they expire but sacking off the likes of nPower and e-on could be problematic.

One of the few things I'll always agree with you about is that essential infrastructure should not be in private hands and especially not in foreign ones.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 16 6.42pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Would that be with or without compensation? Vastly expensive if the former, unwise if the latter. It'd be easy with the train companies as you could just claw back franchises as they expire but sacking off the likes of nPower and e-on could be problematic. One of the few things I'll always agree with you about is that essential infrastructure should not be in private hands and especially not in foreign ones. Seconded, but it will come at a cost.
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Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jul 16 6.42pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Would that be with or without compensation? Vastly expensive if the former, unwise if the latter.

It'd be easy with the train companies as you could just claw back franchises as they expire but sacking off the likes of nPower and e-on could be problematic.

One of the few things I'll always agree with you about is that essential infrastructure should not be in private hands and especially not in foreign ones.

Seconded, but it will come at a cost.

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elgrande bedford 12 Jul 16 7.14pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Would that be with or without compensation? Vastly expensive if the former, unwise if the latter. It'd be easy with the train companies as you could just claw back franchises as they expire but sacking off the likes of nPower and e-on could be problematic. One of the few things I'll always agree with you about is that essential infrastructure should not be in private hands and especially not in foreign ones. I to agree with you cucking, the one thing I hated about the government at the time. However I think the main reason all the utilities were sold off is because so much money needed to be spent on them to bring them up to date. But in an ideal world they should all be back in our hands. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 12 Jul 16 7.14pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Would that be with or without compensation? Vastly expensive if the former, unwise if the latter.

It'd be easy with the train companies as you could just claw back franchises as they expire but sacking off the likes of nPower and e-on could be problematic.

One of the few things I'll always agree with you about is that essential infrastructure should not be in private hands and especially not in foreign ones.

I to agree with you cucking, the one thing I hated about the government at the time.
However I think the main reason all the utilities were sold off is because so much money needed to be spent on them to bring them up to date.
But in an ideal world they should all be back in our hands.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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