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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Jan 21 8.24pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Well yes the central difference is that I don't view these people, nor those burning down inner cities as my people. I do not in any way, shape of form have a preference for which brand of domestic terrorist is more acceptable to me.

Ha!

Let's see whose side you're on once the ball, unfortunately meets the bat.


 


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BlueJay Flag UK 10 Jan 21 8.52pm

This is doing the rounds and raised a smile. I tend to think people become very concerned when rights are infringed..... when it's their own. Of course there will always be an angle on why 'its different this time', but an angle is all it is.


Private companies are private companies. They set their own terms, it's their virtual home. Under the first amendment people are entitled to freedom of speech and so have the perfect right to set up a hosting company and start from there. If there is a large enough audience for it, it will flourish and barriers will eventually be overcome. It sounds like Trump himself is even looking into doing this.

That said, I wouldn't say I view what's happening as a good thing, but further government intervention would likely be no better. I am uncomfortable with unified actions across platforms, as much from the perspective that it will drive views underground and they will become more extreme. Civil liberties such as private communication is next in line to be chipped away at, which would give these huge corporation and government further control over peoples lives. So yes, I wouldn't say that cheering on anything other than truly extreme individuals getting removed from these platforms is a good idea long term by any means.

I would much rather that instead of perpetually fragmenting due to the crack den 'here's your next fix' nature of these echo chambers that we looked at other models of social media network. Some, like examples in Taiwan actually use algorithms that match up 'common causes' between people of completely different political persuasions. That would seem to be healthy. Right now our social networks financially benefit from whatever revs us up the most, which unsurprisingly doesn't often align with our better nature and is not an accurate representation of typical people or real life.

Edited by BlueJay (10 Jan 2021 8.55pm)

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BlueJay Flag UK 10 Jan 21 8.52pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ha!

Let's see whose side you're on once the ball, unfortunately meets the bat.


 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 10 Jan 21 9.03pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

You can"t help feeling those on the right would be disappointed if a war didn"t occur under Joe Bidens presidency, and very disappointed if a civil war or partial civil war didn"t happen, sad times we are living in!

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 21 9.17pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Oh yes it is

This is from South West Water

Am I charged for surface water drainage?

Our tariffs include a charge for foul sewage and highway drainage, and for surface water drainage. Your tariff will depend on whether you have a connection to our sewer as some customers have private surface water drainage systems. If you believe your property doesn’t have a surface water connection, please complete the form below. We will check our records and may visit your property to assess the drainage arrangements. We’ll then confirm if you are entitled to a discount

And, as a matter of interest, did you know that the Town of Truro purchased a water supply system in 1875 that was owned by the Intercolonial Railway.

You may know that some localities still have water supplied by Water Companies but sewage managed by the old Water Authorities. So in some areas you get two bills.

OK I stand corrected but nonetheless I don't know any home here where the surface water doesn't go to a soakaway, even those of my rentals which are in a town. Perhaps in Plymouth, Exeter or Bristol though.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Jan 21 9.26pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I've explained on here what I see as the best least violent future for the US.

There doesn't have to be violence but it's the nature of these things that real power is never given willingly.

Essentially I see this playing over years, not weeks or months as a slow fragmentation....but the left are going in so hard on Trump that I honestly think the immediate future and reactions are uncertain.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jan 2021 9.27pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 10 Jan 21 9.33pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

You can"t help feeling those on the right would be disappointed if a war didn"t occur under Joe Bidens presidency, and very disappointed if a civil war or partial civil war didn"t happen, sad times we are living in!

It's a minority in any political persuasion that are getting the full sniffy for this stuff rather a semi, but the last few years have led to some concerning shifts in thinking across the board politically.

That's why I hope there is a push for social media networks (likely new rather than existing) which shift from the current model to one more reflective of how people actually interact in real life. To dilute some of the stark divides in that way rather than seeing the account deletion button as the go to. The current models are more 'sugar rush' and giving people often distorted representations what they want, low attention, low context, short form, exaggerated... to the exclusion of anything else.

The question would then be are some so far gone that they have essentially become radicalised and actively want to see or directly engage in conflict rather than having an interest in any level of commonality. Social media is clearly very effective at rewiring and exaggerating peoples view of the world, therefore it follows that this can also be done in such a way that moves us away rather than towards conflict. Whether it ends up happening though, who knows. Maybe things will get worse before there is the urgency to look at alternatives.

I know it sounds ludicrous with what's going on to be sitting here typing about 'maybe something can be done with social media', but I certainly believe it's a hell of a lot more central to the fragmentation and events we're seeing than people realise or appreciate.

Edited by BlueJay (10 Jan 2021 9.35pm)

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 10 Jan 21 9.53pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Parlour now shut down by major players.
As Reagan said
"If fascism ever comes to america,
it will come in the name of liberalism."
Ahead of his time maybe.

 

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matthau Flag South Croydon 10 Jan 21 9.57pm Send a Private Message to matthau Add matthau as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

You can"t help feeling those on the right would be disappointed if a war didn"t occur under Joe Bidens presidency, and very disappointed if a civil war or partial civil war didn"t happen, sad times we are living in!

Joe Biden will never be president

100000000%.

The 20th will not happen in any way you feel it might do.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Jan 21 9.58pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Parlour now shut down by major players.
As Reagan said
"If fascism ever comes to america,
it will come in the name of liberalism."
Ahead of his time maybe.

Here he is saying it.

[Link]

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 10 Jan 21 10.00pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by matthau

Joe Biden will never be president

100000000%.

The 20th will not happen in any way you feel it might do.

And the sun won’t rise next Thursday week. You heard it here first. 1000000 percent.

 

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matthau Flag South Croydon 10 Jan 21 10.06pm Send a Private Message to matthau Add matthau as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've explained on here what I see as the best least violent future for the US.

There doesn't have to be violence but it's the nature of these things that real power is never given willingly.

Essentially I see this playing over years, not weeks or months as a slow fragmentation....but the left are going in so hard on Trump that I honestly think the immediate future and reactions are uncertain.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jan 2021 9.27pm)

This is how it’s going to play out

Pope will be arrested shortly. It’s going to shock the globe
Biden won’t be president.
Major arrests all over the shop happen and trump will send out a movie type signal that dominates airwaves in USA. Not sure about U.K. but here’s hoping.

People will see the truth. Realise how bad things were. How badly the media lied about not only the election but elements of the pandemic aswell

People will have to swallow their pride who disliked trump as they’ll have no doubt in their minds soon that he saved (the team behind him really - military generals not republicans) us from real vax extermination from a real pandemic and real evil vaccines that were meant to kills us properly off

Sounds to good or outlandish to be true doesn’t it?

Well, it is true. Think of how you only ever see bill gates in pre recorded room videos never live in a news tv setting. Never once wearing a mask promoting his own vaccines. Because he was nabbed some time back. All that is happening now is an evil monster is trying to survive and pushed a pandemic and that is the corrupt dems and republicans together, media and some foreign leaders. All as one. All each bribed off or compromised with kids in forced videos

Half of Hollywood just about to go down with them. Mass arrests

And to bring it slightly back into the realm of normality before all this s*** happens and finally wakes up all the sheep, check this out

Trump signed it four days ago. Hasn’t mentioned it. Media hasn’t mentioned it. Not the type of thing to pass congress with no word mentioned.

So much happening behind the scenes


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