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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 4.38pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger But they are still arriving at a rate of 300k ish per year. That has got to make a dent. Only those who are citizens can vote. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 09 Jun 17 4.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But they are still arriving at a rate of 300k ish per year. That has got to make a dent.

Only those who are citizens can vote.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 4.39pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Yes, but Canterbury has always been a student city, and its been held by the Conservatives since 1918. Of course those students are right as well. Tuition fees are a disgrace, and housing is far too expensive (student or otherwise). If you want a good job entry you need a degree. We're asking people to rack up huge debts in order to fulfil the recruitment needs of UK corporations, and in doing so undermining the UK cultural interests and academia. Now I'll agree too many people go to university - but companies need to be providing reasonable other routes into professions outside of graduate programs. A lot of people will never pay it back.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Yes, but Canterbury has always been a student city, and its been held by the Conservatives since 1918.

Of course those students are right as well. Tuition fees are a disgrace, and housing is far too expensive (student or otherwise).

If you want a good job entry you need a degree. We're asking people to rack up huge debts in order to fulfil the recruitment needs of UK corporations, and in doing so undermining the UK cultural interests and academia.

Now I'll agree too many people go to university - but companies need to be providing reasonable other routes into professions outside of graduate programs.

A lot of people will never pay it back.

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 4.40pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Only those who are citizens can vote. True. But 'citizens' are increasing year on year thanks to Mr Blair.
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Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 4.40pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Only those who are citizens can vote.

True. But 'citizens' are increasing year on year thanks to Mr Blair.

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Bert the Head Epsom 09 Jun 17 11.48pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger True. But 'citizens' are increasing year on year thanks to Mr Blair. You are kidding yourself a bit there. Blair has been out of power a long while now. There was a home secretary called May who has a more recent role...but a man hears what he wants wants to hear and disregards the rest. Anyway its all about powerful people using immigration to undermine wages to increase profits. Basic Marx theory and relevant. The powerful people rely on stupid people blaming other people who at the end of the day just want a f*cking job. Edited by Bert the Head (09 Jun 2017 11.50pm)
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Epsom 09 Jun 17 11.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

True. But 'citizens' are increasing year on year thanks to Mr Blair.

You are kidding yourself a bit there. Blair has been out of power a long while now. There was a home secretary called May who has a more recent role...but a man hears what he wants wants to hear and disregards the rest.

Anyway its all about powerful people using immigration to undermine wages to increase profits. Basic Marx theory and relevant. The powerful people rely on stupid people blaming other people who at the end of the day just want a f*cking job.

Edited by Bert the Head (09 Jun 2017 11.50pm)

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Bert the Head Epsom 09 Jun 17 11.58pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger A lot of people will never pay it back. I don't agree that "too many people go to university". Education for its own sake is a great thing. The fact is that now there aren't really enough jobs to go round and its getting tougher. Instead of this competition driving a race to the bottom for working people we could share the wealth of the 6th richest country on earth more equitably and work less hours. This would allow us to devote time to voluntary work or other stuff. We don't need to work from 16 to 67.
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Bert the Head

Epsom 09 Jun 17 11.58pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A lot of people will never pay it back.

I don't agree that "too many people go to university". Education for its own sake is a great thing. The fact is that now there aren't really enough jobs to go round and its getting tougher. Instead of this competition driving a race to the bottom for working people we could share the wealth of the 6th richest country on earth more equitably and work less hours. This would allow us to devote time to voluntary work or other stuff. We don't need to work from 16 to 67.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Jun 17 4.22am
Originally posted by Bert the Head You are kidding yourself a bit there. Blair has been out of power a long while now. There was a home secretary called May who has a more recent role...but a man hears what he wants wants to hear and disregards the rest. Anyway its all about powerful people using immigration to undermine wages to increase profits. Basic Marx theory and relevant. The powerful people rely on stupid people blaming other people who at the end of the day just want a f*cking job. yeah Edited by Bert the Head (09 Jun 2017 11.50pm)
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Any european country i fancy! 12 Jun 17 4.22am

Originally posted by Bert the Head

yeah

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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jun 17 8.32am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger A lot of people will never pay it back. Then why have it. If a lot of people aren't ever going to be in a position to pay back the debts of tuition fees (which I doubt), then its unfair to those who are. The problem is that we've created a system where in getting a good job requires a degree and forced more people into having to go to university (which also keeps the unemployment figures down). Accademic education shouldn't be a requirement for a entry level job except within things like academia, research etc. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 Jun 17 8.32am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A lot of people will never pay it back.

Then why have it. If a lot of people aren't ever going to be in a position to pay back the debts of tuition fees (which I doubt), then its unfair to those who are.

The problem is that we've created a system where in getting a good job requires a degree and forced more people into having to go to university (which also keeps the unemployment figures down).

Accademic education shouldn't be a requirement for a entry level job except within things like academia, research etc.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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DanH SW2 12 Jun 17 10.34am
I hope this sneering at the young/student vote continues. Guaranteed to mobilise more people to vote when we have another inevitable election in the next year or so.
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SW2 12 Jun 17 10.34am

I hope this sneering at the young/student vote continues. Guaranteed to mobilise more people to vote when we have another inevitable election in the next year or so.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Jun 17 10.42am
Originally posted by DanH I hope this sneering at the young/student vote continues. Guaranteed to mobilise more people to vote when we have another inevitable election in the next year or so. At 72% it's gone well over the university pre grad/ post grad percentage so it'll have to deliver jobs and not the feared rising inflation and interest rates or they'll be put off again for years. There is a kind of irony in their vote because of this and also in their pro immigration EU vote but I get the former, not so much the latter. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Jun 17 10.42am

Originally posted by DanH

I hope this sneering at the young/student vote continues. Guaranteed to mobilise more people to vote when we have another inevitable election in the next year or so.

At 72% it's gone well over the university pre grad/ post grad percentage so it'll have to deliver jobs and not the feared rising inflation and interest rates or they'll be put off again for years.

There is a kind of irony in their vote because of this and also in their pro immigration EU vote but I get the former, not so much the latter.

COYP

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 12 Jun 17 10.48am
Originally posted by DanH I hope this sneering at the young/student vote continues. Guaranteed to mobilise more people to vote when we have another inevitable election in the next year or so. The sneering is happening from all sides. Over the past few weeks I have seen everything, calling old people selfish, telling women to not let men make decisions for them, as well as race being used. It is a shame people can't just encourage the demographic they are targeting instead of doing it to the detriment of others the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 12 Jun 17 10.48am

Originally posted by DanH

I hope this sneering at the young/student vote continues. Guaranteed to mobilise more people to vote when we have another inevitable election in the next year or so.

The sneering is happening from all sides. Over the past few weeks I have seen everything, calling old people selfish, telling women to not let men make decisions for them, as well as race being used. It is a shame people can't just encourage the demographic they are targeting instead of doing it to the detriment of others

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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steeleye20 Croydon 12 Jun 17 11.44am
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch The sneering is happening from all sides. Over the past few weeks I have seen everything, calling old people selfish, telling women to not let men make decisions for them, as well as race being used. It is a shame people can't just encourage the demographic they are targeting instead of doing it to the detriment of others No people are horrible. 'Hell is other people'.
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steeleye20

Croydon 12 Jun 17 11.44am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

No people are horrible.

'Hell is other people'.

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DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 12 Jun 17 12.14pm
Well there was a little matter of another referendum in 2011 (see link), the British people spoke then, and the British people are assumed to know best just like in the Brexit referendum. While the Brexit referendum was disgraceful powerplay in the Conservative party by Cameron, I have little sympathy for the "whining young voters" claiming Brexit was not decided by them. They turned out in these elections but British Politics would probably have looked different if they had bothered to vote in the Brexit referendum. [Link] by Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Possibly. 318 Conservative Seats subtract 261 Labour seats is 57 seats. The tories polled 2.4% more than Labour, which I don't think works out as 57 more seats.
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Well there was a little matter of another referendum in 2011 (see link), the British people spoke then, and the British people are assumed to know best just like in the Brexit referendum. While the Brexit referendum was disgraceful powerplay in the Conservative party by Cameron, I have little sympathy for the "whining young voters" claiming Brexit was not decided by them. They turned out in these elections but British Politics would probably have looked different if they had bothered to vote in the Brexit referendum.

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Possibly.

318 Conservative Seats subtract 261 Labour seats is 57 seats. The tories polled 2.4% more than Labour, which I don't think works out as 57 more seats.

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