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 braunstoneagle  the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 30 Nov 19 12.41pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Na....14 man. Too young to condemn, this isn't Thompson or Venables he hadn't murdered a toddler. He might have turned it around....probably not, but he might have.....deserved that chance. even at 14 these kids know what they are doing, their not stupid. the kids have no regard for human life, and openly admit they dont leave the house without carrying a knife or i find it such a shame that people are willing to murder somebody over something that used to simply get you a slap. society's f***ed
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 30 Nov 19 12.44pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Arrest all of them, beat them up and drop them off on Bromley Common somewhere. there is no space to put anybody...the systems bursting at the seam
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| Stirlingsays 30 Nov 19 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
even at 14 these kids know what they are doing, their not stupid. the kids have no regard for human life, and openly admit they dont leave the house without carrying a knife or i find it such a shame that people are willing to murder somebody over something that used to simply get you a slap. society's f***ed I can't say I disagree with any of that. All I can say is that I feel regret for the loss of redemption....He was 14 and as far as I know hadn't directly murdered anybody. But I won't criticise the anger of anyone on here nor will I say I'm right and you're wrong. I just feel sadness about it all. My anger is with how it all came to be. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2019 12.56pm)
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 30 Nov 19 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I can't say I disagree with any of that. All I can say is that I feel regret for the loss of redemption....He was 14 and as far as I know hadn't directly murdered anybody. But I won't criticise the anger of anyone on here nor will I say I'm right and you're wrong. I just feel sadness about it all. My anger is with how it all came to be. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2019 12.56pm) what needs to happen (in my opinion) is that if you are caught with a bladed weapon, then the punishment is the same is if you are caught with a firearm. generally firearm tariffs start at 5 years whereas bladed article starts at 6 months, thats not right, both can kill. knife laws are changing to the point that if one person in a group is caught with a knife the whole group will be subject to arrest under joint enterprise but still the sentence needs to be stronger, thats why kids carry knives above guns as a minimum 5 year stretch is to a certain extent a deterrent. you are of course correct 14 years old is no age to lose a life and he may not have killed anybody directly, however he was no doubt involved in that culture and the choices he made led to his downfall. this whole unapologetic self-preservation line of kill or be killed, stab before they stab you is harrowing and something needs to be done to tip the scales the other way.
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| Stirlingsays 30 Nov 19 2.38pm |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
what needs to happen (in my opinion) is that if you are caught with a bladed weapon, then the punishment is the same is if you are caught with a firearm. generally firearm tariffs start at 5 years whereas bladed article starts at 6 months, thats not right, both can kill. knife laws are changing to the point that if one person in a group is caught with a knife the whole group will be subject to arrest under joint enterprise but still the sentence needs to be stronger, thats why kids carry knives above guns as a minimum 5 year stretch is to a certain extent a deterrent. you are of course correct 14 years old is no age to lose a life and he may not have killed anybody directly, however he was no doubt involved in that culture and the choices he made led to his downfall. this whole unapologetic self-preservation line of kill or be killed, stab before they stab you is harrowing and something needs to be done to tip the scales the other way. Yep, some sort of zero tolerance would probably be needed to bring coherence and order to the rougher streets. However, 'zero tolerance' itself comes with an inevitable degree of unfairness and harshness that's inherent.....Stop and search for example is regularly an inconvenience to the innocent....However, if we want law and order it can't be done nicely.....and it would be hard and nasty with lots of liberals complaining about it. We'd need a lot more Police and more prisons.....Basically it isn't going to happen. Essentially the people elected to control these areas are all about empathy and excuses for these problems.....I don't see them annoying their base. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2019 2.39pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 30 Nov 19 5.59pm |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
there is no space to put anybody...the systems bursting at the seam They found a space for tommy Robinson quite quickly.
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 30 Nov 19 8.22pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
They found a space for tommy Robinson quite quickly. im not biting to turn this thread into another about that c*** yaxley lennon. however, barring exceptional circumstances you dont normally get men under 21 in the adult system, so the youth sector is very full. 10 years ago you would get kids in for burglary, car theft & general anti-social behaviour...obviously there was a certain amount of murderers & knife crime but its gone through the roof recently with murder etc and the system cant take it, where sentences used to be a 9/12 month detention order, now its 9/12 years for murder, or attempted murder. new prisons are being built, but not at the rate we need them.
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| cryrst The garden of England 30 Nov 19 8.54pm |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
im not biting to turn this thread into another about that c*** yaxley lennon. however, barring exceptional circumstances you dont normally get men under 21 in the adult system, so the youth sector is very full. 10 years ago you would get kids in for burglary, car theft & general anti-social behaviour...obviously there was a certain amount of murderers & knife crime but its gone through the roof recently with murder etc and the system cant take it, where sentences used to be a 9/12 month detention order, now its 9/12 years for murder, or attempted murder. new prisons are being built, but not at the rate we need them. I'm just showing that for the right crime against the 'right ' people it can be done.
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| Stirlingsays 30 Nov 19 9.03pm |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
im not biting to turn this thread into another about that c*** yaxley lennon. You just reminded me what you are.
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| cryrst The garden of England 30 Nov 19 9.08pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You just reminded me what you are. Waaah
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 30 Nov 19 9.12pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I'm just showing that for the right crime against the 'right ' people it can be done. no you are not showing anything, as i told you the adult & youth prison estates are effectively different entities...you cant just chuck a 16 year old murderer into the adult estate, it just doesnt happen, so your point is moot. the adult estate has a lot more people doing small sentences, for example at this time of year there will be a few thousand people who will commit crimes they know will hold a 12/16 week sentence to get them off sleeping on the streets for the worse part of the winter.
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 30 Nov 19 9.16pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You just reminded me what you are. somebody who doesn't agree with people breaking the law...yep, you got it fella. you keep wasting your money on funding hate & breaking the law...bless your cotton socks. anyway...this thread shouldn't be turned into the sterling show.
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