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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Aug 17 9.28pm
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Ray in Houston Houston 23 Aug 17 9.31pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, this is what I responded to: 'Elvis recorded that in 1972. The BBC last aired an episode of the Black and White Minstrel Show in 1978. Just because more people were ignorant (dictionary definition - not pejorative) of such racism at the time doesn't make it ok now.' You used the word 'ignorant', your poor choice of word not mine and my response was in countenance to that....and pretty much proves that Elvis wasn't ignorant. The black-face show had a long history. I don't know if there was bad intent or not. I barely remember it, though it looks bad. Black people have been 'whitening up' all the time...never had a problem with it myself but that is my perspective. Accuracy helps with credibility. Let's get the timeline right here: - You questioned whether Elvis was racist for singing the American Trilogy - I responded that it was in 1972 and that the BBC was still showing the Black and White Minstrel show back then, and that they were ignorant, meaning "lacking knowledge or awareness" - You responded that they had different views back then - which is basically what I said - but that the BBC was somehow liberal and elitist for showing a black-face song and dance show but that you agree with them more than me even though your point is so full of contradictory statements that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Now you're saying that black-face was ok, but really wasn't, but some black people white-face and that's ok. At least all that zipping back and forth has put my neck back in place. I'm still trying to come up with examples of white-face, and all I have is Dave Chappelle, Eddie Murphy and the Wayans Brothers - all pretty contemporary. Also, "countenance" doesn't mean what you think it means. Words matter. Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Aug 2017 9.32pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, this is what I responded to:

'Elvis recorded that in 1972. The BBC last aired an episode of the Black and White Minstrel Show in 1978. Just because more people were ignorant (dictionary definition - not pejorative) of such racism at the time doesn't make it ok now.'

You used the word 'ignorant', your poor choice of word not mine and my response was in countenance to that....and pretty much proves that Elvis wasn't ignorant.

The black-face show had a long history. I don't know if there was bad intent or not. I barely remember it, though it looks bad. Black people have been 'whitening up' all the time...never had a problem with it myself but that is my perspective.

Accuracy helps with credibility.

Let's get the timeline right here:

- You questioned whether Elvis was racist for singing the American Trilogy
- I responded that it was in 1972 and that the BBC was still showing the Black and White Minstrel show back then, and that they were ignorant, meaning "lacking knowledge or awareness"
- You responded that they had different views back then - which is basically what I said - but that the BBC was somehow liberal and elitist for showing a black-face song and dance show but that you agree with them more than me even though your point is so full of contradictory statements that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Now you're saying that black-face was ok, but really wasn't, but some black people white-face and that's ok.

At least all that zipping back and forth has put my neck back in place. I'm still trying to come up with examples of white-face, and all I have is Dave Chappelle, Eddie Murphy and the Wayans Brothers - all pretty contemporary.

Also, "countenance" doesn't mean what you think it means. Words matter.

Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Aug 2017 9.32pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stirlingsays 23 Aug 17 9.35pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Last one... [Link] Too aggressive for me....I'm into a bit of: [Link] At the moment. Where's that disco? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Aug 17 9.35pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Last one...

[Link]

Too aggressive for me....I'm into a bit of:

[Link]

At the moment.

Where's that disco?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 17 9.36pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Wasn't Lightning Rod a respected blues singer? Nope, fastest p*rn actor in the West.
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Croydon 23 Aug 17 9.36pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Wasn't Lightning Rod a respected blues singer?

Nope, fastest p*rn actor in the West.

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Stirlingsays 23 Aug 17 9.46pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Let's get the timeline right here: - You questioned whether Elvis was racist for singing the American Trilogy - I responded that it was in 1972 and that the BBC was still showing the Black and White Minstrel show back then, and that they were ignorant, meaning "lacking knowledge or awareness" - You responded that they had different views back then - which is basically what I said - but that the BBC was somehow liberal and elitist for showing a black-face song and dance show but that you agree with them more than me even though your point is so full of contradictory statements that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Now you're saying that black-face was ok, but really wasn't, but some black people white-face and that's ok. At least all that zipping back and forth has put my neck back in place. I'm still trying to come up with examples of white-face, and all I have is Dave Chappelle, Eddie Murphy and the Wayans Brothers - all pretty contemporary. Also, "countenance" doesn't mean what you think it means. Words matter. Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Aug 2017 9.32pm) Ha...you really need some cream for that sore arsse you have Ray. I'll give you 'countenance'...it's late. As for me not making sense, I'll leave that for others to judge. I'm not sure why it being contemporary makes a difference but white face?....Lenny Henry, Whoopi Goldberg to add to your list. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Aug 17 9.46pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Let's get the timeline right here:

Now you're saying that black-face was ok, but really wasn't, but some black people white-face and that's ok.

Also, "countenance" doesn't mean what you think it means. Words matter.

Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Aug 2017 9.32pm)

Ha...you really need some cream for that sore arsse you have Ray.

I'll give you 'countenance'...it's late.

As for me not making sense, I'll leave that for others to judge.

I'm not sure why it being contemporary makes a difference but white face?....Lenny Henry, Whoopi Goldberg to add to your list.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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davenotamonkey 23 Aug 17 11.54pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston "Removed" suggests that it's just gone; "moved" confirms that it's still around, just put somewhere else. As to pandering to minorities, what on earth is leaving in place a symbol of white supremacy when the majority of those in its shadow want it moved, if not pandering to a minority? Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Aug 2017 4.47pm) Funny how this didn't seem to bother them to the point of "doing an ISIS" during the 8 years of a Clinton presidency, and the 8 years of an Obama presidency. Almost like it's a politically motivated thing. Or statues were magically endowed with weapons-grade "triggering capability" once Trump got elected. Incidentally, statues (more generically, "things" mean different things to different people. Someone somewhere will always be offended about something. But you go down that path of catering to the perma-offended and lowest common denominators. See where it gets you.
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

"Removed" suggests that it's just gone; "moved" confirms that it's still around, just put somewhere else.

As to pandering to minorities, what on earth is leaving in place a symbol of white supremacy when the majority of those in its shadow want it moved, if not pandering to a minority?

Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Aug 2017 4.47pm)

Funny how this didn't seem to bother them to the point of "doing an ISIS" during the 8 years of a Clinton presidency, and the 8 years of an Obama presidency.

Almost like it's a politically motivated thing. Or statues were magically endowed with weapons-grade "triggering capability" once Trump got elected.

Incidentally, statues (more generically, "things" mean different things to different people. Someone somewhere will always be offended about something. But you go down that path of catering to the perma-offended and lowest common denominators. See where it gets you.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Aug 17 12.10am
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Funny how this didn't seem to bother them to the point of "doing an ISIS" during the 8 years of a Clinton presidency, and the 8 years of an Obama presidency. Almost like it's a politically motivated thing. Or statues were magically endowed with weapons-grade "triggering capability" once Trump got elected. Incidentally, statues (more generically, "things" mean different things to different people. Someone somewhere will always be offended about something. But you go down that path of catering to the perma-offended and lowest common denominators. See where it gets you. How do you know how non Caucasian Americans feel? Have a listen to this without prejudice (no pun intended). [Link]
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Shizzlehurst 24 Aug 17 12.10am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Funny how this didn't seem to bother them to the point of "doing an ISIS" during the 8 years of a Clinton presidency, and the 8 years of an Obama presidency.

Almost like it's a politically motivated thing. Or statues were magically endowed with weapons-grade "triggering capability" once Trump got elected.

How do you know how non Caucasian Americans feel?

Have a listen to this without prejudice (no pun intended). [Link]

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wordup 24 Aug 17 12.35am
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Funny how this didn't seem to bother them to the point of "doing an ISIS" during the 8 years of a Clinton presidency, and the 8 years of an Obama presidency. Almost like it's a politically motivated thing. Or statues were magically endowed with weapons-grade "triggering capability" once Trump got elected. Incidentally, statues (more generically, "things" mean different things to different people. Someone somewhere will always be offended about something. But you go down that path of catering to the perma-offended and lowest common denominators. See where it gets you. Much in the same way though, isn't it 'interesting' how there was a sudden equally magical need and desire to erect these monuments predominantly during the lynching and KKK era several decades after the civil war? It's just metal and stone, but there is no denying that to all sides at various points in time, these monuments have come to hold very significant and varied meaning and that meaning does not necessarily follow a timeline or a narrative that suits everyone. It never did. Edited by wordup (24 Aug 2017 1.00am)
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24 Aug 17 12.35am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Funny how this didn't seem to bother them to the point of "doing an ISIS" during the 8 years of a Clinton presidency, and the 8 years of an Obama presidency.

Almost like it's a politically motivated thing. Or statues were magically endowed with weapons-grade "triggering capability" once Trump got elected.

Much in the same way though, isn't it 'interesting' how there was a sudden equally magical need and desire to erect these monuments predominantly during the lynching and KKK era several decades after the civil war?

It's just metal and stone, but there is no denying that to all sides at various points in time, these monuments have come to hold very significant and varied meaning and that meaning does not necessarily follow a timeline or a narrative that suits everyone. It never did.

Edited by wordup (24 Aug 2017 1.00am)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 24 Aug 17 7.36am
Are there any statues of cyclists in the UK that can be removed to transport museums perhaps. After all many cyclists are more or less fascist these days in the way they career around the roads endangering pedestrians and motorists while clad in para-military lycra uniforms. They probably take their cue from the Japanese fascist army during World War II who used bicycles extensively in their campaign tours of Southeast Asia. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Are there any statues of cyclists in the UK that can be removed to transport museums perhaps. After all many cyclists are more or less fascist these days in the way they career around the roads endangering pedestrians and motorists while clad in para-military lycra uniforms. They probably take their cue from the Japanese fascist army during World War II who used bicycles extensively in their campaign tours of Southeast Asia.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Aug 17 2.38pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Bet you wouldn't be complaining if Hillary had won. Best of the beasts. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 24 Aug 17 2.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Bet you wouldn't be complaining if Hillary had won.

Best of the beasts.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 24 Aug 17 2.54pm
I watched Hilary at the conference, watched that incredibly over confident animation of her smashing through a 'glass ceiling'. I listened to her hilariously taking the moral high ground over Trump.....in some ways to be fair she is better....but overall I don't see much in it. I'm more aligned with her policies but her party's social stances so completely turn me off that I actually celebrated when Trump won. The media and pundits got actually what they deserved. The country just brought the lies of a politician from the other side....not much changed there. He has an interesting stance on protectionism that...only a country like America could actually implement.....though I doubt he's do more than threaten it. I prefer his foreign policy to Obama's terrible failures. He's already done better in this area. China are sanctioning North Korea at considerable cost to themselves. Russia at least listen to Trump...we will see what results from it. Trump's relationship with the mainstream media is truly awful and while I agree with him that they aren't much better than an actual opposition and most are his enemy...the reality is he should be far more professional about it and stop lying and spinning himself every three minutes. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Aug 2017 2.58pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Aug 17 2.54pm

I watched Hilary at the conference, watched that incredibly over confident animation of her smashing through a 'glass ceiling'.

I listened to her hilariously taking the moral high ground over Trump.....in some ways to be fair she is better....but overall I don't see much in it.

I'm more aligned with her policies but her party's social stances so completely turn me off that I actually celebrated when Trump won.

The media and pundits got actually what they deserved. The country just brought the lies of a politician from the other side....not much changed there.

He has an interesting stance on protectionism that...only a country like America could actually implement.....though I doubt he's do more than threaten it.

I prefer his foreign policy to Obama's terrible failures. He's already done better in this area. China are sanctioning North Korea at considerable cost to themselves. Russia at least listen to Trump...we will see what results from it.

Trump's relationship with the mainstream media is truly awful and while I agree with him that they aren't much better than an actual opposition and most are his enemy...the reality is he should be far more professional about it and stop lying and spinning himself every three minutes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Aug 2017 2.58pm)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Aug 17 12.04pm
More lunacy to stop us being offended. [Link] Perhaps someone with better decoding skills than I have could explain what offence might be caused to us. Edited by hedgehog50 (25 Aug 2017 12.06pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 25 Aug 17 12.04pm

More lunacy to stop us being offended.

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Perhaps someone with better decoding skills than I have could explain what offence might be caused to us.

Edited by hedgehog50 (25 Aug 2017 12.06pm)

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