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 Kermit8  Hevon 08 Sep 17 10.06am |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
but that religious dogma is a personal view and is seperate from politics.. did you see the interview? As for the Left dogma..thats politically based and a different argument entirely... it's just that some cant seem to seperate the two
Impossible to achieve overall. Any legislation/policy that contradicts his Catholic religious zealotry he has to vote against even if it is in the country's best interests and wanted by the majority of people. And that's the reason why he can't be a true democrat too. He won't believe in divorce, he will think homosexuality is a mortal sin. He will believe in the devil and the Pope's infallibility. A fruitcake in short. A likeable fruitcake. But he needs to be shuffled away from the any top job. Edited by Kermit8 (08 Sep 2017 10.10am)
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Lyons550  Shirley 08 Sep 17 11.06am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Impossible to achieve overall. Any legislation/policy that contradicts his Catholic religious zealotry he has to vote against even if it is in the country's best interests and wanted by the majority of people. And that's the reason why he can't be a true democrat too. He won't believe in divorce, he will think homosexuality is a mortal sin. He will believe in the devil and the Pope's infallibility. A fruitcake in short. A likeable fruitcake. But he needs to be shuffled away from the any top job. Edited by Kermit8 (08 Sep 2017 10.10am)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 08 Sep 17 11.20am |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Yes, democracy is but fundamental religious beliefs aren't. To put it shockingly bluntly, if Jacob's daughter were raped by a vicious gang at 13 and was impregnated and had a deformed fetus he would fight for the pregnancy to go full term more so than what was best for his daughter not because he wants to but because that is what his religion has told him he must do.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 08 Sep 17 11.26am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Yes, democracy is but fundamental religious beliefs aren't. To put it shockingly bluntly, if Jacob's daughter were raped by a vicious gang at 13 and was impregnated and had a deformed fetus he would fight for the pregnancy to go full term more so than what was best for his daughter not because he wants to but because that is what his religion has told him he must do.
Its a funny old world
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| Kermit8 Hevon 08 Sep 17 11.31am |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Its a funny old world Ah, but you said 'acceptance' of others views. He isn't able to go that far for that would make him not a full on Catholic. Funny old world indeed.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 08 Sep 17 11.44am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Ah, but you said 'acceptance' of others views. He isn't able to go that far for that would make him not a full on Catholic. Funny old world indeed. Firstly I never said he was a full on Catholic!? and secondly he said in the interview (which again you clearly haven't seen) that whilst they were his views he wouldn't judge others on theirs (paraphrasing) ...which is acceptance in so far that people can make their own mind up...surely? Its certainly very interesting how we let our own bias cloud our own judgement, essentially making us the same as those we are castigating for having theirs...and yet they're the ones in the wrong and we're ok. Personally as an Agnostic and someone that is pro Abortion rights I didn't find his comments at all distasteful as he explained his position very well; and as stated he and we are entitled to our own personal views. Still as said, funny old world indeed
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| Kermit8 Hevon 08 Sep 17 11.59am |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Firstly I never said he was a full on Catholic!? and secondly he said in the interview (which again you clearly haven't seen) that whilst they were his views he wouldn't judge others on theirs (paraphrasing) ...which is acceptance in so far that people can make their own mind up...surely? Its certainly very interesting how we let our own bias cloud our own judgement, essentially making us the same as those we are castigating for having theirs...and yet they're the ones in the wrong and we're ok. Personally as an Agnostic and someone that is pro Abortion rights I didn't find his comments at all distasteful as he explained his position very well; and as stated he and we are entitled to our own personal views. Still as said, funny old world indeed Ok, we will have to leave it at that. Just try to understand Jacob is a mouthpiece for his religion's views on subjects like abortion so is not allowed independent thought. And that would carry with him all the way to No.10 if he got the top job. He is not just your run of the mill Sunday churchgoer. Edited by Kermit8 (08 Sep 2017 12.01pm)
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| Stirlingsays 08 Sep 17 12.35pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Yes, democracy is but fundamental religious beliefs aren't. To put it shockingly bluntly, if Jacob's daughter were raped by a vicious gang at 13 and was impregnated and had a deformed fetus he would fight for the pregnancy to go full term more so than what was best for his daughter not because he wants to but because that is what his religion has told him he must do. No, you don't know him to say that.
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| Stuk Top half 08 Sep 17 1.03pm |
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If JRM shouldn't be an MP you should probably argue for Malta and Ireland to be kicked out of the EU. Their stance on abortion isn't just a personal opinion, that is their countries policy and law.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 08 Sep 17 1.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No, you don't know him to say that. no, true but i do know the totally inflexible hold Catholic beliefs have on some people in that Church and one of those people is Jacob going by the transcript of the interview. He would have to lapse to put his daughter first.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 08 Sep 17 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
If JRM shouldn't be an MP you should probably argue for Malta and Ireland to be kicked out of the EU. Their stance on abortion isn't just a personal opinion, that is their countries policy and law. Got no problem with him being an MP just don't want anyone that religious near policy making.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Sep 17 1.18pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Got no problem with him being an MP just don't want anyone that religious near policy making. Probably safe on that one now with regards to any social policies.
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