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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 21 Apr 17 6.45am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by Nest

Jews find it disgraceful that the media play on this just so they can slate the Party and Corbyn

I am sure some do. However do not under estimate how many are incredibly unhappy. Unhappy with the attacks, unhappy with Shami Chakrabarti and how she was "rewarded" and unhappy with Corbyn's lack of leadership on the issue

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 21 Apr 17 6.51am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

As a fervent Tory what do you think about your glorious lying leader unwilling to take part in a leaders debate?

I have some sympathy with May. I think she should probably have agreed to do one. However as a leader you are on a hiding to nothing with these debates. Also, now that everyone bar the Monster Raving Loony Party can go on they have become a bit of a farce.

History, such as it is shows that they have very little impact on how people vote


 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 21 Apr 17 7.47am

Before the EU Referendum, the Remain camp told us that the economy would collapse, the pound would fall 20% against the dollar, the FTSE would nosedive and companies flee from Britain. None of this has of course happened, apart from a much less steep fall in the value of the pound. Instead the FTSE has reached record highs, the economy has grown and companies are investing in Britain.
However, if Corbyn's Labour are elected all of the dire predictions would come to pass - in spades. Yet many of the very people who tried to scare us with the doom-mongering are telling us to vote Labour.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 21 Apr 17 7.50am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Before the EU Referendum, the Remain camp told us that the economy would collapse, the pound would fall 20% against the dollar, the FTSE would nosedive and companies flee from Britain. None of this has of course happened, apart from a much less steep fall in the value of the pound. Instead the FTSE has reached record highs, the economy has grown and companies are investing in Britain.
However, if Corbyn's Labour are elected all of the dire predictions would come to pass - in spades. Yet many of the very people who tried to scare us with the doom-mongering are telling us to vote Labour.

It is was too soon to know what, if any fallout will happen due to Brexit.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Apr 17 7.51am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Before the EU Referendum, the Remain camp told us that the economy would collapse, the pound would fall 20% against the dollar, the FTSE would nosedive and companies flee from Britain. None of this has of course happened, apart from a much less steep fall in the value of the pound. Instead the FTSE has reached record highs, the economy has grown and companies are investing in Britain.
However, if Corbyn's Labour are elected all of the dire predictions would come to pass - in spades. Yet many of the very people who tried to scare us with the doom-mongering are telling us to vote Labour.

There are a few reports about library service reductions in which councillors talk about the need for austerity, as if austerity were some new-fangled wheeze that just occurred to them: "Tell you what, Reg, Linda, why don't we all tighten our belts and safeguard the service?" Oh, never heard that one before and of course, far from safeguarding any of the services given a quick austerity fix, those services have been pauperised then privatised. Austerity was always a delusion, a fundamental shift of wealth, control and influence from public service to private acquisition, from poor to rich.
Austerity crucified Greece, plunging it into a shattering economic crisis reminiscent of the 1930s. George Osborne missed every deficit target while administering it and added half a trillion pounds to the national debt. As the International Monetary Fund noted, they had "massively understated the damage that spending cuts inflict on a weak economy” and found that all economic research backing austerity “has been discredited.” Nonetheless lamentable George Osborne declared austerity permanent and his successor Philip Hammond continues to argue its effectiveness against all the arguments to the contrary. May is a permanent austerian too, in as much as she has any ideology except her own career and the electoral fortunes of the Tory Party as the key body defending British capital. UK wages are growing more slowly than in any European nation except Greece with very high numbers of short term, part time and 'self-employed' jobs explaining the Tories boast about high employment.
Austerity was always a con. It is now a demonstrably bankrupt one.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 21 Apr 17 7.59am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I have some sympathy with May. I think she should probably have agreed to do one. However as a leader you are on a hiding to nothing with these debates. Also, now that everyone bar the Monster Raving Loony Party can go on they have become a bit of a farce.

History, such as it is shows that they have very little impact on how people vote


By going on TV she is in danger of being found out.

Of course live debates on TV are uncomfortable there are no idiot boards and prepared speeches but in real life a PM will have to deal with events hiding from the camera just shows he/she is not up to it.


 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Apr 17 8.17am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Never heard such nonsense about the TV debate for some time.

It has been reported that Mrs May will appear in a 'Question Time' format rather than a head-to-head debate where the format favours opposition parties.

TV debates in the past have turned elections into a 'X Factor' type talent show. Why should Mrs May demean her 'High office' by agreeing to equal billing with political 'Lightweights', some might deem misfits, who are united only in their hostility to Brexit and the Conservative Party ?

Anyway I've got a busy day out campaigning etc so no more from me today on this thread.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 21 Apr 17 8.24am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Never heard such nonsense about the TV debate for some time.

It has been reported that Mrs May will appear in a 'Question Time' format rather than a head-to-head debate where the format favours opposition parties.

TV debates in the past have turned elections into a 'X Factor' type talent show. Why should Mrs May demean her 'High office' by agreeing to equal billing with political 'Lightweights', some might deem misfits, who are united only in their hostility to Brexit and the Conservative Party ?

Anyway I've got a busy day out campaigning etc so no more from me today on this thread.

I'll just make my point then tell you I am out so I won't get a reply as my Willo post is sacrosanct nothing else matters but my Willo opinion....


 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Apr 17 8.35am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I'll just make my point then tell you I am out so I won't get a reply as my Willo post is sacrosanct nothing else matters but my Willo opinion....


By all accounts ITV will empty chair her. (may not Willo)

 

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Pikester Flag Worthing 21 Apr 17 8.53am Send a Private Message to Pikester Add Pikester as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Great speech from Corbyn this morning.

What I like is that he says what goes in the manifesto will be fully costed.

An extract, full speech here... [Link]

Britain needs a Labour government that is prepared to fight for people in every part of the country, our towns, villages, as well as big cities.

A Labour government that isn’t scared to take on the cosy cartels that are hoarding this country’s wealth for themselves.

It needs a government that will use that wealth to invest in people’s lives in every community to build a better future for every person who lives here.

Because the Conservatives, drunk on a failed ideology, are hell bent on cutting every public service they get their hands on, and they will use all of the divide-and-rule tricks of the Lynton Crosby trade to keep their rigged system intact.

Don’t be angry at the privatisers profiting from our public services, they whisper, be angry instead at the migrant worker just trying to make a better life.

Don’t be angry at the government ministers running down our schools and hospitals, they tell us, be angry instead at the disabled woman or the unemployed man.

It is the rigged economy the Tories are protecting that Labour is committed to challenging.

We will not let the elite extract wealth from the pockets of ordinary working people any longer.

So many people in modern Britain do what seems like the right thing to do.

They get jobs, they spend all day working hard, they save to buy their own home, they raise children, they look after elderly or sick relatives.

And yet, at the end of it, they get almost nothing left over as a reward.

Nick - there's probably not many Conservative voters who don't agree with all that either.

You come across as having this blinkered view that every Tory voter has a massive portfolio of shares and a private health plan and couldn't give a monkey's about the disabled, gay and poor members of society.

The truth is most Conservative voters would like the NHS to be better funded. Most Conservative voters would like London to be populated by Londoners and not foreign investors. Most Conservative voters would like wealth to be better distributed.

But most Conservative voters know that Labour always get the mix wrong. They fall over themselves to give everyone with a bad back a disabled badge and a motorbility car. They go out of their way to ensure the gay members of society get investment. They always end up bankrupting the country whilst pretending to be a latter day Robin Hood.

The hardworking people of Britain are then left with a choice of knowing they are propping up the Tories mates at large corporations or watching Labour fund every 'good' cause going and screw up the economy.

You really need to stop seeing it as a good against evil battle and realise that Conservative voters are not a bunch of property barons looking for a Tax dodge - but members of society looking for an acceptable alternative yet being offered Corbyn, Kinnock, Foot, Blair, Brown etc. and pie in the sky dreams of everybody being equal.

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 21 Apr 17 8.54am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

By all accounts ITV will empty chair her. (may not Willo)

They will be wrong to if they do. Trying to bully her, or anyone in to appearing is wrong.

Empty chairing smacks of political bias too.

 


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davenotamonkey Flag 21 Apr 17 8.59am Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

It is was too soon to know what, if any fallout will happen due to Brexit.

If it was "too soon", why were all the scaremongering referendum treasury reports and forecasts for "Brexit" on a timeline of "XX months after the Brexit vote"? Go back and look at them. They lay out what the effect would be after a Brexit vote.

There were the pathetic "oh, but we haven't enacted A50 yet" excuses. OK, I'll be generous. Now we have. Where's the armageddon? I'm still waiting for the punishment budget, personally.

 

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