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matt_himself Matataland 02 Oct 16 7.44am
Originally posted by The White Horse That may well be true, but just as Marxist and Trotskyist are used in the same way by others, sometimes these words are actually a fairly accurate description of political identity. I'd say Benn and Watson were Brownites, Watson in particular as he helped boot Blair out. Umunna actually nominated Liz Kendall for leader (despite her only getting 4.5% of the vote in the end) so I daresay that's because his politics is in the Kendall/Blair region just to the left of centre. My point is that 'Blairite' is a misleading term. Does anyone refer to David Owen or Shirley Williams or Hugh Gaitskill as 'Blairites' (assuming that any of Labours 'affiliate members' know who these people are) when they share many characteristics with the man who would follow them in Labour? I don't believe that there are many, if any 'Blairites', in the party. I do t believe that Tony Blair had an ideological basis that spawned a devout following. I believe that Tony Blair was a pragmatist when it came to understanding what was necessary to win elections. I also believe that he did instigate a social agenda that was left wing and at odds with Tory policy at the time (enacting Human Rights legislation, allowing unmarried couples to adopt, allowing homosexual civil partnerships, etc). For the record, I don't think Tom Watson holds any distinct political agenda. I think he is more concerned with holding power and being thought of as 'authoritative' than being a great reformer or political thinker. I think Hilary Benn has conviction, has an agenda and is a decent person & MP. I wouldn't vote for him because he is Labour and the offspring of one of the most dangerous MP's in history but nonetheless respect him. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 02 Oct 16 7.44am

Originally posted by The White Horse

That may well be true, but just as Marxist and Trotskyist are used in the same way by others, sometimes these words are actually a fairly accurate description of political identity.

I'd say Benn and Watson were Brownites, Watson in particular as he helped boot Blair out. Umunna actually nominated Liz Kendall for leader (despite her only getting 4.5% of the vote in the end) so I daresay that's because his politics is in the Kendall/Blair region just to the left of centre.

My point is that 'Blairite' is a misleading term. Does anyone refer to David Owen or Shirley Williams or Hugh Gaitskill as 'Blairites' (assuming that any of Labours 'affiliate members' know who these people are) when they share many characteristics with the man who would follow them in Labour?

I don't believe that there are many, if any 'Blairites', in the party. I do t believe that Tony Blair had an ideological basis that spawned a devout following. I believe that Tony Blair was a pragmatist when it came to understanding what was necessary to win elections. I also believe that he did instigate a social agenda that was left wing and at odds with Tory policy at the time (enacting Human Rights legislation, allowing unmarried couples to adopt, allowing homosexual civil partnerships, etc).

For the record, I don't think Tom Watson holds any distinct political agenda. I think he is more concerned with holding power and being thought of as 'authoritative' than being a great reformer or political thinker. I think Hilary Benn has conviction, has an agenda and is a decent person & MP. I wouldn't vote for him because he is Labour and the offspring of one of the most dangerous MP's in history but nonetheless respect him.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Pista Bristol 07 Oct 16 5.29pm
Now that the Home Secretary is proposing that all UK businesses make lists of foreign employees can we accept that the problem isn't restricted to Labour? old time bbs refugee
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Bristol 07 Oct 16 5.29pm

Now that the Home Secretary is proposing that all UK businesses make lists of foreign employees can we accept that the problem isn't restricted to Labour?

old time bbs refugee

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Oct 16 7.35pm
Originally posted by Pista Now that the Home Secretary is proposing that all UK businesses make lists of foreign employees can we accept that the problem isn't restricted to Labour? Where's the 'like' button.
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Shizzlehurst 07 Oct 16 7.35pm

Originally posted by Pista

Now that the Home Secretary is proposing that all UK businesses make lists of foreign employees can we accept that the problem isn't restricted to Labour?

Where's the 'like' button.

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matt_himself Matataland 07 Oct 16 7.53pm
Originally posted by Pista Now that the Home Secretary is proposing that all UK businesses make lists of foreign employees can we accept that the problem isn't restricted to Labour? If you are an idiot or a s*** stirrer, then yes, accept that as the truth. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 07 Oct 16 7.53pm

Originally posted by Pista

Now that the Home Secretary is proposing that all UK businesses make lists of foreign employees can we accept that the problem isn't restricted to Labour?

If you are an idiot or a s*** stirrer, then yes, accept that as the truth.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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johnfirewall 26 Oct 16 10.44pm
"A hard-left activist is preparing to sue the Labour Party’s general secretary, claiming that the party briefed her suspension to the media. Jackie Walker, who was first suspended in May over alleged antisemitism, has set up a crowdfunding page online to pay for the legal action, raising more than half of the £10,000 target by last night." Sounds like 10,000 pieces of evidence to me. Or maybe just 5,000 with the others being against the mainstream 'right wing' Labour.
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26 Oct 16 10.44pm

"A hard-left activist is preparing to sue the Labour Party’s general secretary, claiming that the party briefed her suspension to the media.

Jackie Walker, who was first suspended in May over alleged antisemitism, has set up a crowdfunding page online to pay for the legal action, raising more than half of the £10,000 target by last night."

Sounds like 10,000 pieces of evidence to me. Or maybe just 5,000 with the others being against the mainstream 'right wing' Labour.

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johnfirewall 08 Nov 16 12.17pm
Goldsmiths at it again [Link] I like the way they look back to the 68 Olympics for an example of a similar display. Progressive as ever.. Edited by johnfirewall (08 Nov 2016 12.19pm)
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08 Nov 16 12.17pm

Goldsmiths at it again

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I like the way they look back to the 68 Olympics for an example of a similar display. Progressive as ever..

Edited by johnfirewall (08 Nov 2016 12.19pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Nov 16 12.34pm
Originally posted by johnfirewall Goldsmiths at it again [Link] I like the way they look back to the 68 Olympics for an example of a similar display. Progressive as ever.. Edited by johnfirewall (08 Nov 2016 12.19pm) Well done Goldsmiths for highlighting Palestines plight.
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Shizzlehurst 08 Nov 16 12.34pm

Originally posted by johnfirewall

Goldsmiths at it again

[Link]

I like the way they look back to the 68 Olympics for an example of a similar display. Progressive as ever..

Edited by johnfirewall (08 Nov 2016 12.19pm)

Well done Goldsmiths for highlighting Palestines plight.

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Kermit8 Hevon 08 Nov 16 12.42pm
Originally posted by johnfirewall Goldsmiths at it again [Link] I like the way they look back to the 68 Olympics for an example of a similar display. Progressive as ever.. Edited by johnfirewall (08 Nov 2016 12.19pm) No different to those on FB showing solidarity with France by superimposing everything with the French flag. Actually no there is. It's a lot less cringeworthy. These are students after all. It's what they do. The Facebook lot didn't have that excuse. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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