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 Stirlingsays  11 May 20 9.56am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Yes I’m now agreeing, as I said I would. hard times create strong men. strong men create good times. good times create weak men. and, weak men create hard times. If you aren’t or don’t have vulnerable people at home and you’ll have a shielding letter anyway, then you should get on with it. Loads have already had to. Cutting furlough to 50% would get people wanting to work. Well we disagreed upon the timing but regardless hard times look inevitable now. It's all just depressing. Still, I'd imagine that shares in oil are looking attractive right now.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 May 20 10.01am |
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When the app is released there’ll be objections to that.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 May 20 10.03am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well we disagreed upon the timing but regardless hard times look inevitable now. It's all just depressing. Still, I'd imagine that shares in oil are looking attractive right now. But they all clap for the brave at 8pm on a Thursday and on VE Day. We know who’s at risk. We know how you can keep them safe. We know how you can minimise virus transfer where possible.
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| Stirlingsays 11 May 20 10.10am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
But they all clap for the brave at 8pm on a Thursday and on VE Day. We know who’s at risk. We know how you can keep them safe. We know how you can minimise virus transfer where possible. The nation that once had a stiff upper lip now trembles and spends its time bedwetting.
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| DanH SW2 11 May 20 10.33am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The nation that once had a stiff upper lip now trembles and spends its time bedwetting. You don’t even want to stay at home for a couple of months to stop people dying. Imagine if you had actually had to pick up a rifle to do your bit for the greater good.
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| Stirlingsays 11 May 20 10.42am |
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Originally posted by DanH
You don’t even want to stay at home for a couple of months to stop people dying. Imagine if you had actually had to pick up a rifle to do your bit for the greater good.
But what is significantly less doubtful is that you played a tiny part in destroying jobs and businesses for those with far less opportunity and luck than life gave you. So progressive. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 May 2020 10.43am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 May 20 11.16am |
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That this attitude exists is obvious. You can read articles like this in many places. Especially from the libertarians in the USA. It misses one basic fact. That the longer you delay the spread more people are likely to receive a vaccine and consequently less are going to die. If you believe that isn't more important than what will likely to be short term economic hardship then sobeit. I am just grateful that such thinking is not guiding policy in our country.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 May 20 11.31am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That this attitude exists is obvious. You can read articles like this in many places. Especially from the libertarians in the USA. It misses one basic fact. That the longer you delay the spread more people are likely to receive a vaccine and consequently less are going to die. If you believe that isn't more important than what will likely to be short term economic hardship then sobeit. I am just grateful that such thinking is not guiding policy in our country. I thought you were more intelligent to think that businesses and jobs going under by the millions was going to be short term economic hardship. The economy isn’t just about £ signs either. And beneath the messages and slow release into work, this will be the aim of the government. A vaccine is months and months away. Possibly even longer. An indefinite lockdown is economic suicide. Bravery for thee, but not for me.
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Teddy Eagle  11 May 20 11.43am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That this attitude exists is obvious. You can read articles like this in many places. Especially from the libertarians in the USA. It misses one basic fact. That the longer you delay the spread more people are likely to receive a vaccine and consequently less are going to die. If you believe that isn't more important than what will likely to be short term economic hardship then sobeit. I am just grateful that such thinking is not guiding policy in our country. So the possibility of half the world’s workforce having no income is a price worth paying in an attempt to control a disease which is killing less than several others do annually? A vaccine is still not a certainty so how long should this go on?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 May 20 11.59am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So the possibility of half the world’s workforce having no income is a price worth paying in an attempt to control a disease which is killing less than several others do annually? A vaccine is still not a certainty so how long should this go on? The suggestion that "half the world’s workforce having no income" is obviously horrifying but is it actually true? 50% seems like a figure pulled out of the air to me. With so much unknown about the virus right now, and indeed how long a vaccine will take to be available, if ever, then of course we need to balance the risks and remain flexible in our approach. Which will vary from country to country dependent on their circumstances. The fact that the virus is not killing as many as some others is a complete red herring. The real question is how many would it kill if it were to be ignored? For the moment I am content that the approach we are taking is the right one and that the promise of the rapid availability of a vaccine will mitigate the economic hit, with a fast subsequent recovery. I don't buy into the economic doom and gloom merchants senario. Life may change. It always has. In some places, as I know from personal experience, having more than 50% of the working age people not working can cause deprivation but it doesn't cause starvation. The land still gets worked and people are fed. They might not be able to buy the latest gadgets though. Big deal!
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| Teddy Eagle 11 May 20 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The suggestion that "half the world’s workforce having no income" is obviously horrifying but is it actually true? 50% seems like a figure pulled out of the air to me. With so much unknown about the virus right now, and indeed how long a vaccine will take to be available, if ever, then of course we need to balance the risks and remain flexible in our approach. Which will vary from country to country dependent on their circumstances. The fact that the virus is not killing as many as some others is a complete red herring. The real question is how many would it kill if it were to be ignored? For the moment I am content that the approach we are taking is the right one and that the promise of the rapid availability of a vaccine will mitigate the economic hit, with a fast subsequent recovery. I don't buy into the economic doom and gloom merchants senario. Life may change. It always has. In some places, as I know from personal experience, having more than 50% of the working age people not working can cause deprivation but it doesn't cause starvation. The land still gets worked and people are fed. They might not be able to buy the latest gadgets though. Big deal! It isn’t a red herring when influenza kills more people with no lockdown even considered. You don’t buy into the doom and gloom scenario? Well, OK, fine but that’ doesn’t mean it’s not real.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 May 20 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The suggestion that "half the world’s workforce having no income" is obviously horrifying but is it actually true? 50% seems like a figure pulled out of the air to me. With so much unknown about the virus right now, and indeed how long a vaccine will take to be available, if ever, then of course we need to balance the risks and remain flexible in our approach. Which will vary from country to country dependent on their circumstances. The fact that the virus is not killing as many as some others is a complete red herring. The real question is how many would it kill if it were to be ignored? For the moment I am content that the approach we are taking is the right one and that the promise of the rapid availability of a vaccine will mitigate the economic hit, with a fast subsequent recovery. I don't buy into the economic doom and gloom merchants senario. Life may change. It always has. In some places, as I know from personal experience, having more than 50% of the working age people not working can cause deprivation but it doesn't cause starvation. The land still gets worked and people are fed. They might not be able to buy the latest gadgets though. Big deal! So far removed from reality in your bubble you are. Gadgets won’t be on the minds of millions right now. And add more millions of people to that if we were to not have a functioning economy. And if you hadn’t noticed Britain is more of a consuming economy so any hopes of a change in direction isn’t going to happen instantly. Some of these non Essential luxury purchases are actually essential to the economy unfortunately. It maybe sounds like you’re reluctantly agreeing with the broad plan, because you admit to yourself we have to. That leads me to believe you deep down know things are very very bleak if not and it isn’t a minor economic blip as you claim in public. Maybe I’m wrong on the latter. Edited by Rudi Hedman (11 May 2020 1.10pm)
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