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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 08 Jun 17 8.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Selling bombs and dropping them are not the same thing.

If that were not the case you could prosecute a gun shop when someone is shot. Would the gun shop owner stop selling guns to people just in case they were used in anger and let the bloke down the road sell them instead?

Makes no real world sense does it.

A bit like someone putting a brick in your Gran's face or not.

 


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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 08 Jun 17 8.54pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

If you were in charge of the drug squad would you say 'dont nick him, someone else will only sell what he is anyway'

Or like standing up in court convicted of murder and saying 'well they were gonna die one day anyway'

 


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legaleagle Flag 08 Jun 17 8.56pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Selling bombs and dropping them are not the same thing.

If that were not the case you could prosecute a gun shop when someone is shot. Would the gun shop owner stop selling guns to people just in case they were used in anger and let the bloke down the road sell them instead?

Makes no real world sense does it.

So,in the US,for example,making it harder to buy guns wouldn't be a good thing because it might lessen their use and help reduce deaths and injuries from guns?

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Jun 17 8.57pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Or like standing up in court convicted of murder and saying 'well they were gonna die one day anyway'

You clearly have a problem with reality v deluded.

 

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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 08 Jun 17 8.58pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Selling bombs and dropping them are not the same thing.

If that were not the case you could prosecute a gun shop when someone is shot. Would the gun shop owner stop selling guns to people just in case they were used in anger and let the bloke down the road sell them instead?

Makes no real world sense does it.


But to follow your analogy further, selling bombs to the Saudis when we know they are already using them to bomb water factories and hospitals...

It would be like owning a gun shop and Raoul Moat coming in with blood down his shirt, and us saying 'have the biggest guns in the shop, and we'll hold them still while you fire'.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Jun 17 9.01pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by legaleagle

So,in the US,for example,making it harder to buy guns wouldn't be a good thing because it might lessen their use and help reduce deaths and injuries from guns?

Ah! Now you make sense.

Gun control would be a good thing one presumes but the same conditions could not apply to nations and their weapons because there are a different set of circumstances,one being that no one trusts anyone else to stick to the rules of any disarmament.

 

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 08 Jun 17 9.01pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Looking at the reality of it, arms are big business. Morally, yes, it's wrong and yes, if we stop selling them someone else will. Armaments is also a f*cking huge employer in this country and no politician is brave enough to risk the fallout of the significant unemployment that would result.

This is is the real world. It's not a nice place. Politicians are cowards. If you've not realised that, then you never will.

 


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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 08 Jun 17 9.04pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You clearly have a problem with reality v deluded.

You seem to justify any act of atrocity simply by pointing out that it's 'reality'.

I'm not denying that it is a fact we sell arms to the Saudis. But it's also a fact that if i don't water my plants theyll die, or if i don't pay my bills i'll have no electricity. We van actually change things in life...

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Jun 17 9.05pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller


But to follow your analogy further, selling bombs to the Saudis when we know they are already using them to bomb water factories and hospitals...

It would be like owning a gun shop and Raoul Moat coming in with blood down his shirt, and us saying 'have the biggest guns in the shop, and we'll hold them still while you fire'.

WE know that weapons are generally purchased with use in mind for sure but your view point is born from the idealistic notion that people will stop killing if you stop selling them weapons. They won't, and for the umpteenth time let me repeat that others will sell them weapons instead.
It is therefore pointless to stop selling weapons for national profit on moral grounds.

 

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legaleagle Flag 08 Jun 17 9.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Ah! Now you make sense.

Gun control would be a good thing one presumes but the same conditions could not apply to nations and their weapons because there are a different set of circumstances,one being that no one trusts anyone else to stick to the rules of any disarmament.

Not entirely sure how that logic translates to say Saudis being better able to beat sh*t out of local shias and not sticking to anything we would call rules

Also,not entirely sure in the US that people would trust others not to get illicit arms..

 

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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 08 Jun 17 9.05pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Looking at the reality of it, arms are big business. Morally, yes, it's wrong and yes, if we stop selling them someone else will. Armaments is also a f*cking huge employer in this country and no politician is brave enough to risk the fallout of the significant unemployment that would result.

This is is the real world. It's not a nice place. Politicians are cowards. If you've not realised that, then you never will.

And yet when a politician comes along promising to challenge that, you shout him down as a terrorist's friend...

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Jun 17 9.06pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

You seem to justify any act of atrocity simply by pointing out that it's 'reality'.

I'm not denying that it is a fact we sell arms to the Saudis. But it's also a fact that if i don't water my plants theyll die, or if i don't pay my bills i'll have no electricity. We van actually change things in life...

It;s not like that at all...except in your deluded idealistic mind.

 

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