This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Jeremy Corbyn
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
 We are goin up!  Coulsdon 01 Jun 17 6.33pm |
  |
|---|---|
|
It's seats that matter and swing seats in the South West and the Midlands will all go to the Tories. Labour will win handsomely in London and in their extremely safe seats in the North. Everywhere else they'll get hammered, but they'll hide behind the "popular vote" of 35%. Ed Miliband tried a mild version of the 35% strategy and failed because he alienated some of his base (which voted Green) and didn't eat into the Tory vote. Corbyn is succeeding at getting his 35% base out. Problem for him is that, unlike last time, the Tories aren't haemorrhaging votes to UKIP, pretty much all of UKIP is voting Conservative this time round. Absolutely classic Labour. The only one in recent times to not fall into this trap is Blair, he won by a landslide.
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. |
|
 Alert a moderator to this post |
  |
| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 01 Jun 17 8.37pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by We are goin up!
It's seats that matter and swing seats in the South West and the Midlands will all go to the Tories. Labour will win handsomely in London and in their extremely safe seats in the North. Everywhere else they'll get hammered, but they'll hide behind the "popular vote" of 35%. Ed Miliband tried a mild version of the 35% strategy and failed because he alienated some of his base (which voted Green) and didn't eat into the Tory vote. Corbyn is succeeding at getting his 35% base out. Problem for him is that, unlike last time, the Tories aren't haemorrhaging votes to UKIP, pretty much all of UKIP is voting Conservative this time round. Absolutely classic Labour. The only one in recent times to not fall into this trap is Blair, he won by a landslide. Nothing to argue with in that analysis, it pains me to say. Blair was about as Labour as John Major, however, and as much of a warmongering liar as any fascist dictator. If May squeaks hone this time and fecks the country over as promised in the manifesto, her party will be out for a generation. Corbyn's campaign has woken a lot of people up to the diet of s***e they're spoonfed every day.
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
 Hrolf The Ganger 01 Jun 17 9.15pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by nickgusset
His policies and ideals resonate with a hell of a lot more people than you ever imagined. People like fairy tales. The idea that a man who is still the deputy chair of CND and would like to abolish the monarchy can be Prime Minister is bonkers. Even as an anti Royalist myself, I can see how nuts that is. Only people with no grasp of reality think electing Corbyn is a good idea.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| legaleagle 01 Jun 17 11.24pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Some might say,only people with even less grasp of reality think TM continuing as PM is a good idea...Just an opinion.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 02 Jun 17 2.31am |
 |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by legaleagle
Some might say,only people with even less grasp of reality think TM continuing as PM is a good idea...Just an opinion. Well given the choice between Corbyn and May we are shortly going to find out that May is preferred. That's also an opinion but it's also common sense. For Corbyn to win he would have to overturn Tory seats that his politics don't stand an ice cube's chance in hell in. The Labour membership are responsible for that. Miliband was close with Cameron in the polls before the last election. Some people are just feelings over political realities. A candidate from the far left isn't going to come close to running this country. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2017 2.34am)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| legaleagle 02 Jun 17 8.00am |
|
|---|---|
|
That may or may not be the case but doesn't deal with my point...Some might say only people with even less grasp of reality think TM continuing as PM is a good idea
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Jun 17 9.29am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
People like fairy tales. The idea that a man who is still the deputy chair of CND and would like to abolish the monarchy can be Prime Minister is bonkers. Even as an anti Royalist myself, I can see how nuts that is. Only people with no grasp of reality think electing Corbyn is a good idea. Yeah but we're not voting for a dictator with absolute power. There is no way that even if Labor won they'd have the kind of majority to achieve Nuclear disarmament and abolish the monarchy. They'd not have enough support within their own party to push those kind of changes through parliament. The whole point of a democracy is to prevent absolute power and if a party did have that kind of democratic mandate then it would be acceptable as it would represent the will of the people.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Jun 17 9.52am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Yeah but we're not voting for a dictator with absolute power. There is no way that even if Labor won they'd have the kind of majority to achieve Nuclear disarmament and abolish the monarchy. They'd not have enough support within their own party to push those kind of changes through parliament. The whole point of a democracy is to prevent absolute power and if a party did have that kind of democratic mandate then it would be acceptable as it would represent the will of the people. I doubt that they would have enough support among their own MPs to push anything through. SDP mark II looms.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| steeleye20 Croydon 02 Jun 17 11.22am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Yeah but we're not voting for a dictator with absolute power. There is no way that even if Labor won they'd have the kind of majority to achieve Nuclear disarmament and abolish the monarchy. They'd not have enough support within their own party to push those kind of changes through parliament. The whole point of a democracy is to prevent absolute power and if a party did have that kind of democratic mandate then it would be acceptable as it would represent the will of the people. In this case Mrs May will just avoid parliament as she has done before and she will present a narrow election win as the country being unified behind her. Parliament will not have final say on brexit. Where have you been? Voters really missed the boat when they could have chosen a modern electoral system but chose first past the post.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| serial thriller The Promised Land 02 Jun 17 1.04pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well given the choice between Corbyn and May we are shortly going to find out that May is preferred. That's also an opinion but it's also common sense. For Corbyn to win he would have to overturn Tory seats that his politics don't stand an ice cube's chance in hell in. The Labour membership are responsible for that. Miliband was close with Cameron in the polls before the last election. Some people are just feelings over political realities. A candidate from the far left isn't going to come close to running this country. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2017 2.34am) He's clearly going to come pretty close. We have been told for decades in this country that socialist ideals were anathema to most of the electorate. Yet we now have a true socialist who is building a wide group of support. More Ukip voters from 2015 are going Labour now than at any point in the last two years, while possibly millions who have never voted have been inspired by Corbyn. Labour is streets ahead of the tories in every age group except the over 60s now. If he can hammer the fact that the Tory's Brexit strategy is a total shambles he'll be in number 10.
If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4 |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 02 Jun 17 1.59pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by serial thriller
He's clearly going to come pretty close. We have been told for decades in this country that socialist ideals were anathema to most of the electorate. Yet we now have a true socialist who is building a wide group of support. More Ukip voters from 2015 are going Labour now than at any point in the last two years, while possibly millions who have never voted have been inspired by Corbyn. Labour is streets ahead of the tories in every age group except the over 60s now. If he can hammer the fact that the Tory's Brexit strategy is a total shambles he'll be in number 10. Na mate, you have just drunk the kool aid. Be on here the day after the election. I'm not being nasty. I'll just be interested to know what you think. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2017 1.59pm)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Jun 17 2.15pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by steeleye20
In this case Mrs May will just avoid parliament as she has done before and she will present a narrow election win as the country being unified behind her. An election win is still an election win. However a minor majority doesn't translate into total power. No matter how much someone claims everyone is 'unified' - A PM with a small majority is very vulnerable to rebels within their own party and can't force through contentious issues. Backbenchers don't tend to be as loyal to the party line as cabinet ministers. Originally posted by steeleye20
Parliament will not have final say on brexit. Yeah it will, because almost certainly any decision which isn't put to Parliament, is going to end up in court. Originally posted by steeleye20
Where have you been? Your mums bed Originally posted by steeleye20
Voters really missed the boat when they could have chosen a modern electoral system but chose first past the post. Not really the Alternative Vote was an absurd system that makes less sense, and doesn't increase representation issues at all. The Liberal Democrats sold out their own voters by accepting this compromise with the conservatives, despite decades of stating that they would only accept proportional representation as a deal for power sharing. The conservatives knew no one would want AV, and the liberal democrats were too desperate for the validation of having some power, that they undermined their own best future interests.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Login / RegisterNew users
Registration is now on our new message board
Existing users
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
Sponsors
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.