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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 22 3.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I accept that some posts require time to answer due to their nature. However, I contend you aren't aware of just how serious certain aspects are within these files. I will wait. As it’s you making the assertions perhaps you could identify what these “certain aspects” are. I certainly haven’t seen any but then again I haven’t read every file. If you have the time, and you seem to have a lot, that would be the easiest way forward. So I will wait.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Dec 22 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Apparently me being a social conservative means I don't believe the working class should have the vote? Perhaps you are confused about what social conservatism actually is....At the default level it's not a class thing. The fault for any murders resulting from lowering social cohesion within communities lies entirely at the door of your political beliefs. Pushing different ethnic communities into the same residential living spaces is well documented to lower trust and cohesion...That is true, whatever and wherever the ethnicity difference has significance. I note your focus upon only one aspect when our cities are subject to constant increased knife crime and murder thanks to your particular fantasy political beliefs which ignores human nature and is obsessed with shoehorning people. Realities of human nature are seemingly completely ignored by people like yourself due to your ideology. Here for example you blame me for a demographical situation I would have never allowed to happen in the first place. However, as I say, due to you thinking this is a positive, the blame is all yours, whether it's an extremist religious Muslim killing non believers or some old German nutter with a gun killing strangers. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2022 3.09pm) I certainly don't. Most don't really know what is going on in any instance. They all probably think the booths are for a Punch and Judy performance, they will expect a show, so on and so forth. It's just setting everything up for disaster. Furthermore, I don't think the upper or middle classes should have a vote, nor women, not those with disabilities, nor anyone from a minority ethnic background. Just white men, but not all whites, just English protestant men... aged 30-60. In fact, not even them, no votes for anybody. Ah, politics.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 22 3.36pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I presumed this lie was aimed at the Veterans' vote. None of the candidates really have any credibility with them, so I guess it's of little relevance. Other lies were aimed at getting the votes of other demographics. The Kinnock one at a working class/ mining community. I have no idea what lay behind it or even whether it is true. How to handle their border problem is as insoluble as ours. I know they have some new measures they want to push through but haven’t yet been able to. This ought not be a political football but something that gets a long term unified strategy. The Squad will make noise but they have zero chance of taking over the Democratic Party in the same way Trump has the Republican.
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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 22 3.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I certainly don't. Most don't really know what is going on in any instance. They all probably think the booths are for a Punch and Judy performance, they will expect a show, so on and so forth. It's just setting everything up for disaster. Furthermore, I don't think the upper or middle classes should have a vote, nor women, not those with disabilities, nor anyone from a minority ethnic background. Just white men, but not all whites, just English protestant men... aged 30-60. In fact, not even them, no votes for anybody. Ah, politics. Personally I've always thought that if you work and pay tax into the system you should get the vote. If you don't pay tax into the system you shouldn't. Essentially stakeholder voting.....If you don't have a stake you don't get to decide....but it would have to come with certain protections. There are flaws with this system though, for example most women work less then men because they have children to raise and so this is unfair on them....and so obviously it's pie in the sky. However, I view the affects of feminism to have been disasters for both men and especially women.....Convinced many of them that being worker drones was what they wanted other than families. A plan to lower wages and break up the power of the family that worked. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2022 3.46pm)
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Teddy Eagle 29 Dec 22 3.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Personally I've always thought that if you work and pay tax into the system you should get the vote. If you don't pay tax into the system you shouldn't. Essentially stakeholder voting.....If you don't have a stake you don't get to decide....but it would have to come with certain protections. There are flaws with this system though, for example most women work less then men because they have children to raise and so this is unfair on them....and so obviously it's pie in the sky. However, I view the affects of feminism to have been disasters for both men and especially women.....Convinced many of them that being worker drones was what they wanted other than families. A plan to lower wages and break up the power of the family that worked. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2022 3.46pm) I do think 16 year olds should get the vote if they're at work. Seems daft they're able to get married and pay tax before getting a say.
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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 22 4.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I do think 16 year olds should get the vote if they're at work. Seems daft they're able to get married and pay tax before getting a say. Yep, no taxation without representation.
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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 22 4.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As it’s you making the assertions perhaps you could identify what these “certain aspects” are. I certainly haven’t seen any but then again I haven’t read every file. If you have the time, and you seem to have a lot, that would be the easiest way forward. So I will wait. This proves my point. You comment on events you haven't even looked into. When asked for evidence for claims you make you now asked for me to do the work for you......Typical. There is a lot to cover from censorship to security services meddling in elections to payment from the same. You can wait, but unlike you I will do this work.
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berlinpalace berlin 29 Dec 22 5.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Apparently me being a social conservative means I don't believe the working class should have the vote? Perhaps you are confused about what social conservatism actually is....At the default level it's not a class thing. The fault for any murders resulting from lowering social cohesion within communities lies entirely at the door of your political beliefs. Pushing different ethnic communities into the same residential living spaces is well documented to lower trust and cohesion...That is true, whatever and wherever the ethnicity difference has significance. I note your focus upon only one aspect when our cities are subject to constant increased knife crime and murder thanks to your particular fantasy political beliefs which ignores human nature and is obsessed with shoehorning people. Realities of human nature are seemingly completely ignored by people like yourself due to your ideology. Here for example you blame me for a demographical situation I would have never allowed to happen in the first place. However, as I say, due to you thinking this is a positive, the blame is all yours, whether it's an extremist religious Muslim killing non believers or some old German nutter with a gun killing stranger Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2022 3.09pm) That’s some amazing mental gymnastics to absolve yourselves of responsibility for right wing mass shooting. Interesting that you bring up Muslim mass murderers, another warped ideology that tries to put the blame on the victims. I wonder what it is these two groups have in common?
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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 22 5.38pm | |
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Originally posted by berlinpalace
That’s some amazing mental gymnastics to absolve yourselves of responsibility for right wing mass shooting. Interesting that you bring up Muslim mass murderers, another warped ideology that tries to put the blame on the victims. I wonder what it is these two groups have in common? It's just the same type of response everytime with you. No actual case just whining about opinions you don't like. Apparently I have mental gymnastics you have no answer for. All you have are 'down with this sort of thing'. Everytime you have an opportunity to defend your ideas you reject it. It's your whole ideology, it's just 'feels over reals'. The rejection of nature and then finger pointing at those bound by it. Once again, I'm not responsible for creating the conditions for a breakdown in social cohesion, that's your politics. There are studies on this going back generations, but you don't care....for you normal human nature is extremism. Perhaps instead of blaming others you should look in the mirror. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2022 5.39pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 22 9.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This proves my point. You comment on events you haven't even looked into. When asked for evidence for claims you make you now asked for me to do the work for you......Typical. There is a lot to cover from censorship to security services meddling in elections to payment from the same. You can wait, but unlike you I will do this work. It most certainly does not prove your point! That's yet another typical misrepresentation. What I said was I hadn't read every file. Have you? I have read enough, and I have also read the analysis of the releases, and what I said was I haven't seen anything at all which supports your assertions. Which you now confirm as being censorship and security services meddling in elections. The suggestion that they were paid to do so is new. I look forward to seeing that justified. I have read all such allegations before and can confirm that there is nothing at all in the Twitter releases which justify them. Everything that was done can be explained logically and reasonably in the circumstances that prevailed at the time. Just remember the security services are charged with keeping the country safe from foreign interference and alerting social media companies to a perceived threat is within their remit. Those media companies are private businesses who can determine whatever policy they like. If they decide to remove, restrict or even censor anyone that's entirely their choice. Their role is to make money for their shareholders, much of which comes from advertising. If the advertisers get nervous about content, then it's likely to be removed. They are not a public service. Other outlets which don't moderate in the same way, are available. You carry on and provided examples. I will knock them over the boundary faster than Ben Stokes can score 100.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Dec 22 10.39pm | |
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 22 11.24pm | |
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What's that supposed to prove? That a right leaning editor believes that social media businesses constrain free speech? Hardly newsworthy, is it? The right have been bleating the same old baa baa for years. It isn't true. They are private businesses, who can decide for themselves what their moderation policy is, and in turn where they get their advertising revenue. Platforms exist for all views. Trying looking on Gab for socialist views, let alone trying to post anything that doesn't conform with their community standards. There are great dangers online from misinformation and the involvement of foreign countries who wish us harm. We are constantly under attack in a cyber war. Listen to, or read, what the head of GCHQ had to say about this only today. He was the guest editor on the Today programme on Radio 4. It was chilling to hear what's going on. That's real. That needs action. The idea that the social media companies are restricting free speech is a total misunderstanding of what is really happening.
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