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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 10 May 20 10.23pm
Originally posted by cryrst Spot on boris. Gives the police more autonomy to question and act. No excuses for being in a group unless it's your household. Good plan going forwards. Yeah, if everyone sticks to it, and they won’t because of its ambiguity And also because most people are selfish idiots. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 10 May 20 10.23pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Spot on boris.
Gives the police more autonomy to question and act.
No excuses for being in a group unless it's your household. Good plan going forwards.

Yeah, if everyone sticks to it, and they won’t because of its ambiguity

And also because most people are selfish idiots.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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cryrst The garden of England 10 May 20 10.35pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Yeah, if everyone sticks to it, and they won’t because of its ambiguity And also because most people are selfish idiots. Social distancing, keeping clean. Not really ambiguous. When times are good the government are a menace. When times are bad the government are blamed and needed to hold hands. I agree there are a lot of dicks out there.
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cryrst

The garden of England 10 May 20 10.35pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Yeah, if everyone sticks to it, and they won’t because of its ambiguity

And also because most people are selfish idiots.

Social distancing, keeping clean.
Not really ambiguous.
When times are good the government are a menace.
When times are bad the government are blamed and needed to hold hands.

I agree there are a lot of dicks out there.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 10 May 20 10.57pm
Originally posted by cryrst Social distancing, keeping clean. Not really ambiguous. When times are good the government are a menace. When times are bad the government are blamed and needed to hold hands. I agree there are a lot of dicks out there. The previous message was not ambiguous. This one is Idiots need non-ambiguity Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 10 May 20 10.57pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Social distancing, keeping clean.
Not really ambiguous.
When times are good the government are a menace.
When times are bad the government are blamed and needed to hold hands.

I agree there are a lot of dicks out there.

The previous message was not ambiguous. This one is

Idiots need non-ambiguity

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 May 20 11.53pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC The previous message was not ambiguous. This one is Idiots need non-ambiguity If people had individual responsibility then there’d be fewer issues with the new rules,or guidelines as that is what they are. There is also a need to get society and the economy working again for numerous reasons. Not just financial but for many health reasons too. The people who do have a problem are tube and packed train commuters or people who cannot social distance at work. But that is really a problem for those who are vulnerable or live with vulnerable people, or indeed can’t not keep away from their grandparents or elderly parents because they’re kicking up a fuss about it. Seriously, this country is full of some annoying types. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 10 May 20 11.53pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
The previous message was not ambiguous. This one is

Idiots need non-ambiguity

If people had individual responsibility then there’d be fewer issues with the new rules,or guidelines as that is what they are.

There is also a need to get society and the economy working again for numerous reasons. Not just financial but for many health reasons too.

The people who do have a problem are tube and packed train commuters or people who cannot social distance at work. But that is really a problem for those who are vulnerable or live with vulnerable people, or indeed can’t not keep away from their grandparents or elderly parents because they’re kicking up a fuss about it. Seriously, this country is full of some annoying types.

COYP

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BlueJay UK 11 May 20 12.18am
Originally posted by Jimenez Well the whole mask thing is another whole debate in fairness. From what I've read is that some of the N95 type masks can actually be useful to yourself but indeed potentially harmful to others in close proximity as they filter the air in but let all the germs out. At risk of sounding like Pvt Walker off Dad's Army, I've actually made a small fortune on masks by having someone manufacture them for me which I am selling on It looks as these will be mandatory wearing on public transport, stores & work places for a few months at least. What good they do is up in the air, but it probably lies somewhere in between both trains of thought. Yes that sounds about right to me!
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BlueJay

UK 11 May 20 12.18am

Originally posted by Jimenez

Well the whole mask thing is another whole debate in fairness. From what I've read is that some of the N95
type masks can actually be useful to yourself but indeed potentially harmful to others in close proximity
as they filter the air in but let all the germs out.
At risk of sounding like Pvt Walker off Dad's Army, I've actually made a small fortune on masks by having someone manufacture them for me which I am selling on
It looks as these will be mandatory wearing on public transport, stores & work places for a few months at least.
What good they do is up in the air, but it probably lies somewhere in between both trains of thought.

Yes that sounds about right to me!

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 May 20 12.22am
Originally posted by Jimenez Well the whole mask thing is another whole debate in fairness. From what I've read is that some of the N95 type masks can actually be useful to yourself but indeed potentially harmful to others in close proximity as they filter the air in but let all the germs out. At risk of sounding like Pvt Walker off Dad's Army, I've actually made a small fortune on masks by having someone manufacture them for me which I am selling on It looks as these will be mandatory wearing on public transport, stores & work places for a few months at least. What good they do is up in the air, but it probably lies somewhere in between both trains of thought. You shouldn’t be going close to someone in a mask or if you have a mask on. It doesn’t matter who is wearing a cloth mask or FFP1,2 or FFP3 mask. If you watch interviews outside they stay metres apart. The only place you’ll struggle to distance yourself will be on public transport or at work. Everywhere else you can, if you want to that is. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 May 20 12.22am

Originally posted by Jimenez

Well the whole mask thing is another whole debate in fairness. From what I've read is that some of the N95
type masks can actually be useful to yourself but indeed potentially harmful to others in close proximity
as they filter the air in but let all the germs out.
At risk of sounding like Pvt Walker off Dad's Army, I've actually made a small fortune on masks by having someone manufacture them for me which I am selling on
It looks as these will be mandatory wearing on public transport, stores & work places for a few months at least.
What good they do is up in the air, but it probably lies somewhere in between both trains of thought.

You shouldn’t be going close to someone in a mask or if you have a mask on. It doesn’t matter who is wearing a cloth mask or FFP1,2 or FFP3 mask. If you watch interviews outside they stay metres apart. The only place you’ll struggle to distance yourself will be on public transport or at work. Everywhere else you can, if you want to that is.

COYP

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BlueJay UK 11 May 20 12.24am
People with coronavirus are dying 10 years earlier than they would have naturally: Study "Using a statistical measure called "years of life lost," researchers found that COVID-19 strips more than a decade away from a person's life, on average. For men, the viral infection takes away about 13 years of potential life lived. For women, it's more like 11 years. Both numbers account for underlying long-term conditions. " [Link] A separate earlier study highlights the misconceptions that if life expectancy is 82, then 80-year-olds have two years left to live. This isn't true, since life expectancy is lowered by people who die younger. [Link] If you're 80, you actually have between 8 and 10 years left to live on average [Link] This puts to bed the callous, self serving mantra that if someone dies of covid-19 aged 80 they were at death's door anyway. Edited by BlueJay (11 May 2020 12.25am)
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BlueJay

UK 11 May 20 12.24am

People with coronavirus are dying 10 years earlier than they would have naturally: Study

"Using a statistical measure called "years of life lost," researchers found that COVID-19 strips more than a decade away from a person's life, on average. For men, the viral infection takes away about 13 years of potential life lived. For women, it's more like 11 years. Both numbers account for underlying long-term conditions. " [Link]

A separate earlier study highlights the misconceptions that if life expectancy is 82, then 80-year-olds have two years left to live. This isn't true, since life expectancy is lowered by people who die younger. [Link]

If you're 80, you actually have between 8 and 10 years left to live on average [Link] This puts to bed the callous, self serving mantra that if someone dies of covid-19 aged 80 they were at death's door anyway.

Edited by BlueJay (11 May 2020 12.25am)

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 May 20 12.35am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman If people had individual responsibility then there’d be fewer issues with the new rules,or guidelines as that is what they are. There is also a need to get society and the economy working again for numerous reasons. Not just financial but for many health reasons too. The people who do have a problem are tube and packed train commuters or people who cannot social distance at work. But that is really a problem for those who are vulnerable or live with vulnerable people, or indeed can’t not keep away from their grandparents or elderly parents because they’re kicking up a fuss about it. Seriously, this country is full of some annoying types. Everyone has a problem when anything other than a clear and simple message (what we had) gets replaced by a more nuanced one. Although really, the delivery of it probably doesn’t even matter. As is evident by flouting of rules, and they should be thought of as such, over the last few weeks - the second wave is an inevitability. And the people responsible for causing that will not be ‘the people who do have a problem’. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 11 May 20 12.35am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

If people had individual responsibility then there’d be fewer issues with the new rules,or guidelines as that is what they are.

There is also a need to get society and the economy working again for numerous reasons. Not just financial but for many health reasons too.

Everyone has a problem when anything other than a clear and simple message (what we had) gets replaced by a more nuanced one. Although really, the delivery of it probably doesn’t even matter. As is evident by flouting of rules, and they should be thought of as such, over the last few weeks - the second wave is an inevitability.

And the people responsible for causing that will not be ‘the people who do have a problem’.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 11 May 20 1.19am
Found Boris completely ambiguous. Things should be clearer in the morning once the fifty page report is published. He says that everyone who can’t work from home should go to work, what though does this mean? If you are a hairdresser should you now go back to work tomorrow? What if you are a surveyor? Obviously you can’t survey from home but is it safe for you to resume work? No detail, just bluster. That’s my opinion anyhow. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 11 May 20 1.19am

Found Boris completely ambiguous. Things should be clearer in the morning once the fifty page report is published.

He says that everyone who can’t work from home should go to work, what though does this mean?

If you are a hairdresser should you now go back to work tomorrow? What if you are a surveyor? Obviously you can’t survey from home but is it safe for you to resume work?

No detail, just bluster. That’s my opinion anyhow.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Teddy Eagle 11 May 20 1.32am
[Link] I thought this was interesting as a counter opinion.
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Teddy Eagle

11 May 20 1.32am

[Link]

I thought this was interesting as a counter opinion.

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Stirlingsays 11 May 20 2.26am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle [Link] I thought this was interesting as a counter opinion. Excellent throughout. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

11 May 20 2.26am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

[Link]

I thought this was interesting as a counter opinion.

Excellent throughout.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 May 20 6.42am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Everyone has a problem when anything other than a clear and simple message (what we had) gets replaced by a more nuanced one. Although really, the delivery of it probably doesn’t even matter. As is evident by flouting of rules, and they should be thought of as such, over the last few weeks - the second wave is an inevitability. And the people responsible for causing that will not be ‘the people who do have a problem’. Not everyone has a problem with it. Just idiots, people who don’t want to understand it or take any risks, or people packed on public transport. But then again if they aren’t vulnerable then they should probably get to work. One suggestion I’ve heard is half a workforce travel in the morning and half at midday. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 May 20 6.42am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

And the people responsible for causing that will not be ‘the people who do have a problem’.

Not everyone has a problem with it. Just idiots, people who don’t want to understand it or take any risks, or people packed on public transport. But then again if they aren’t vulnerable then they should probably get to work. One suggestion I’ve heard is half a workforce travel in the morning and half at midday.

COYP

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