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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 21 8.30am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I think you’ll find that’s called racism. Of course not! If a security assessment meant that some activities are seen as a higher risk than others, then it's the risk that's the subject, not the ethnic background of those posing the risk.
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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jul 21 8.40am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
But that was me talking about the reality I have lived. What is the ‘British and Britain’ that is disappearing exactly? Perhaps you just haven't lived long enough to fully appreciate the change that has already occurred. This will be what happens. People who are born going forward will not notice change until they are older and then, no one under 40 will listen to them. Even so, I find it hard to believe that you haven't seen the changes in this country, even since the '90s.
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DanH SW2 29 Jul 21 8.46am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Perhaps you just haven't lived long enough to fully appreciate the change that has already occurred. This will be what happens. People who are born going forward will not notice change until they are older and then, no one under 40 will listen to them. Even so, I find it hard to believe that you haven't seen the changes in this country, even since the '90s. Of course, but change and evolution is just something that occurs naturally over time. I’d still argue that technological and scientific advances have had a far greater impact on our (and all of western, arguably) culture than the impacts of immigration. Even if we had zero immigration culture would still be different now to how it was in the 90s (and you would still be moaning about it ) Edited by DanH (29 Jul 2021 8.47am)
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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jul 21 8.51am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
These mythical "elites" you so like to blame for all the perceived ills have no power at all. We do. Us, the electorate who choose the politicians. What you think is "right" has to be shared with enough others to elect enough politicians to carry them through. Not impossible. Just highly improbable. Then, of course, you would hit the brick wall of internationally agreed conventions, which would stop such changes being enacted in the first place. I don't make this any easier at all. It's just the way it is. We all need to come to terms with it and find practical ways to live our own lives the best way we can. Our culture has always evolved, and always will. There has always been immigration and the absorption of new cultures. My mother had never heard of, let alone eaten, Chicken Tikka Masala, but it is now the UK's most popular dish, replacing Fish and Chips as Britain's national dish. You might hate that fact, but fact it is and a lot of people seem comfortable with it. The culture might evolve, but it won't be replaced. The youth of today don't think like you. Does that matter? Not in my opinion! Genetically too we will evolve, just as we always have, and that matters not at all. What does is what lies beneath an appearance, the values and standards that are held. We shape them. Not genetics.
Only someone who is ultra naive thinks that democracy beats money and power. We got trump and Brexit because of a serious miscalculation by the elites. That will probably never happen again.
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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jul 21 8.53am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Of course, but change and evolution is just something that occurs naturally over time. I’d still argue that technological and scientific advances have had a far greater impact on our (and all of western, arguably) culture than the impacts of immigration. Even if we had zero immigration culture would still be different now to how it was in the 90s (and you would still be moaning about it ) Edited by DanH (29 Jul 2021 8.47am) But it would be our culture and our children enjoying it.
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Matov 29 Jul 21 9.45am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Of course, but change and evolution is just something that occurs naturally over time. I’d still argue that technological and scientific advances have had a far greater impact on our (and all of western, arguably) culture than the impacts of immigration. Edited by DanH (29 Jul 2021 8.47am) Surely though culture is organic? I get your point about change and evolution occurring naturally but how much of the current crisis/changes/pressures can be described as just one of those things? For example, the Libyan situtation. A nation-state deliberately destabilised for what purpose? Or the 2015-onwards migrant crisis? Merkel issues an invite then works behind the scenes via the mechanism of the EU to ensure that the mayhem hits countries who have no desire at any level to have waves of migrants hitting their shores/wanting to cross borders. People do move about. A fact as old as history itself. But the numbers since the end of WW2 have been unprecedented. Prior to that then in the UK, the single biggest influx, as a %, had been the French Protestant Huguenots. Even during the 19th century, the increase in the amount of Jews arriving on UK shores was relatively small and focused into specific areas, with a significant amount of transition involved in terms of them then moving on to the US. What has happened since the 50's has not been natural nor evolutionary. It has been a situation deliberately engineered to impose dramatic changes on Western Europe. Now you might be able to argue that these changes have been for the better or the worse, but the idea that this has just happened by way of repeating how human history has worked in the past is ludicrous. Multi-culturalism is at best, an optimistic experiment, at worse, a deliberate attempt to destabilize the ethnocentric component of how we understand the modern nation-state. But whatever stance you take, an artificial and top-down imposition on native populations who were never asked in any meaningful way if this is what they wanted. Edited by Matov (29 Jul 2021 9.46am)
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georgenorman 29 Jul 21 10.07am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Of course, but change and evolution is just something that occurs naturally over time. I’d still argue that technological and scientific advances have had a far greater impact on our (and all of western, arguably) culture than the impacts of immigration. Even if we had zero immigration culture would still be different now to how it was in the 90s (and you would still be moaning about it ) Edited by DanH (29 Jul 2021 8.47am) Look at many of the trouble spots around the world and historically, and you can see that the root causes of many of the conficts are differences in race, religion, culture and language.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 29 Jul 21 11.04am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Of course, but change and evolution is just something that occurs naturally over time. I’d still argue that technological and scientific advances have had a far greater impact on our (and all of western, arguably) culture than the impacts of immigration. Even if we had zero immigration culture would still be different now to how it was in the 90s (and you would still be moaning about it ) Edited by DanH (29 Jul 2021 8.47am) spoken like a true brainwashed lefty ''multiculturalism is evolution and is just an inevitability'' ? tell that to our friends in Poland/Hungary and lots of sensible places in Eastern Europe. cos Western Europe has already been overrun. South Africa is a lovely place to see on the internet. Maybe they watched the 2011 London Riots and got a few ideas ?
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PalazioVecchio south pole 29 Jul 21 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Would have more in common with people in Newham than people who went to Eton. So you wouldn't do very well in 'University Challenge' then ? what a surprise. Expecting you to see the wood for the trees is like Sysyphus. (google it you ignoramus )
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DanH SW2 29 Jul 21 11.21am | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
So you wouldn't do very well in 'University Challenge' then ? what a surprise. Expecting you to see the wood for the trees is like Sysyphus. (google it you ignoramus ) Eton’s a public school. I went to a University where I obtained an Economics degree. I have since obtained post-graduate qualifications. There’s a difference between being posh and being educated.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 21 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Only someone who is ultra naive thinks that democracy beats money and power. We got trump and Brexit because of a serious miscalculation by the elites. That will probably never happen again. Who is "surrendering"? We aren't under attack. Society is evolving, and only those who are incapable of adaptation see that as a threat that must be resisted. Such people are modern day Luddites. Chicken Tikka Masala is the most popular dish in the UK. Period. Not just take away! As every human being is 99.9% genetically identical to any other, any changes are miniscule. What you object to is not genetics. It is culture and, let's be honest, skin colour. The culture will gradually assimilate. Skin colour just stops being noticed. we got Trump and Brexit because of associated, but different, reasons. Trump because a large section of the US population grew tired of constant wars and being the world's policemen. The "anything must be better than this" motivation grew powerfully in the "white" working underclass, supported by other groups, such as the Evangelicals. Brexit because of tiredness in our working class of feeling ignored, aided by clumsiness by Cameron. Getting rid of Trump was a totally understandable imperative. No-one co-ordinated the effort, but enough sections of society were of the same opinion, including ultimately the electorate, that it succeeded.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Jul 21 11.43am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course not! If a security assessment meant that some activities are seen as a higher risk than others, then it's the risk that's the subject, not the ethnic background of those posing the risk. The same logic which is applied to Stop & Search then.
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