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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Jul 19 6.39am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


I genuinely don't understand why you think any politician would have any "self interest" in immigration. They will all know that immigration is not a vote winner so the only possible reason is economic necessity.

There really aren't the immigration "woes" that so many here get their knickers in a twist over. They exist only in the minds of a few most directly affected and in some population pockets.

That some thought they knew better some years ago and are chortling with indignation now means nothing. They neither had the responsibility then to try to see the big picture nor do they have any idea what things would actually be like if we had failed to bring in needed labour. One of my businesses would have had to have been shut down had I not been able to recruit from overseas. The UK labour was not available. How would that have benefited anyone, including all the other employees?

New immigrants vote Labour. If the people of a particular country were hard core Tory voters I think that a Tory government would be issuing visa's like they were going out of fashion.

What Blair did was naked self interest dressed up as compassion. In the same way that Blair / Brown moved thousands of civil service jobs from the south to Labour areas oop north.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 19 8.53am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

New immigrants vote Labour. If the people of a particular country were hard core Tory voters I think that a Tory government would be issuing visa's like they were going out of fashion.

What Blair did was naked self interest dressed up as compassion. In the same way that Blair / Brown moved thousands of civil service jobs from the south to Labour areas oop north.

That sounds just what a Trump cult member would say about immigrants supporting the Dems in the USA.

Whilst we don't actually know how new immigrants vote, if indeed they vote at all, I agree that is probably more likely they would vote Labour than Tory. Not though because they any particular sympathy with socialism but that they feel the hostility from the Tories.

This idea that ANY politician would issue visas just to glean votes is so nonsensical it beggars belief why anyone seriously suggests it. It's just a cheap slur circulated as a conspiracy theory. There would be much more of a negative impact from their traditional support than any positive one from new arrivals, which is why, I suspect, these matters are always discussed with great caution. Politicians know it's not popular with great swathes of the electorate but they also know it is economically necessary.

Moving those jobs was a brave political decision. With high unemployment in areas of the north, caused by the changing world, and full employment in the south it made perfect sense to move jobs which were not area specific. It's done all the time. We have plenty of private back office functions here in Cornwall which have been moved out of London by private companies. In the internet age that's inevitable. Look at the number of call centre jobs now being done in India and elsewhere. It has nothing at all to do with votes. Just the availability of people able and willing to do the jobs. For the politicians that means keeping the economy working.

Of course those individuals who are affected need to be helped and supported, but that's another issue completely. You don't make omelettes without breaking a few eggs.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Jul 19 9.23am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


I genuinely don't understand why you think any politician would have any "self interest" in immigration. They will all know that immigration is not a vote winner so the only possible reason is economic necessity.

There really aren't the immigration "woes" that so many here get their knickers in a twist over. They exist only in the minds of a few most directly affected and in some population pockets.

That some thought they knew better some years ago and are chortling with indignation now means nothing. They neither had the responsibility then to try to see the big picture nor do they have any idea what things would actually be like if we had failed to bring in needed labour. One of my businesses would have had to have been shut down had I not been able to recruit from overseas. The UK labour was not available. How would that have benefited anyone, including all the other employees?

That is your problem in one sentence.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 20 Jul 19 9.25am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That sounds just what a Trump cult member would say about immigrants supporting the Dems in the USA.

Whilst we don't actually know how new immigrants vote, if indeed they vote at all, I agree that is probably more likely they would vote Labour than Tory. Not though because they any particular sympathy with socialism but that they feel the hostility from the Tories.

This idea that ANY politician would issue visas just to glean votes is so nonsensical it beggars belief why anyone seriously suggests it. It's just a cheap slur circulated as a conspiracy theory. There would be much more of a negative impact from their traditional support than any positive one from new arrivals, which is why, I suspect, these matters are always discussed with great caution. Politicians know it's not popular with great swathes of the electorate but they also know it is economically necessary.

Moving those jobs was a brave political decision. With high unemployment in areas of the north, caused by the changing world, and full employment in the south it made perfect sense to move jobs which were not area specific. It's done all the time. We have plenty of private back office functions here in Cornwall which have been moved out of London by private companies. In the internet age that's inevitable. Look at the number of call centre jobs now being done in India and elsewhere. It has nothing at all to do with votes. Just the availability of people able and willing to do the jobs. For the politicians that means keeping the economy working.

Of course those individuals who are affected need to be helped and supported, but that's another issue completely. You don't make omelettes without breaking a few eggs.

The Mayor of London owes his job to a certain demographic.
Companies outsourcing call centre jobs is a purely economic decision. The number of people able to do them is unlimited - even people who don’t have English as a first language can be employed.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 20 Jul 19 10.05am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So once again we have claims being made that don't stand up. Let me quote from the report I referenced:-

"The GDP value per capita of a country is an excellent way of measuring the wealth of a country because it takes into account the standard of living. By taking the GDP of a country and comparing it to the GDP of another country, you'll be able to accurately determine which country is richer than another, with a few other factors being taken into consideration as well."

That makes perfect sense. People are not wealthy because of the size of a country's population or it's economy. What matters is their individual standard of living.

By simple size of economy China is the second biggest, but per capita doesn't feature in the top 55. Would you think yourself rich just because there are a lot of you?

Overall economic power might bring with it political clout but it is not an accurate measure of how rich a country is. Therefore the UK is richer than Japan and there is nothing disingenuous about stating that truth.

That GDP value bit is ok but What are the few other factors?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 19 11.54am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is your problem in one sentence.

Oh I understand only too well!

My remark was addressed to the opacity of your comment and not to any incapacity of mine.

Which I note you have made no attempt to rectify!

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 19 12.02pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The Mayor of London owes his job to a certain demographic.
Companies outsourcing call centre jobs is a purely economic decision. The number of people able to do them is unlimited - even people who don’t have English as a first language can be employed.

From all I heard he was voted for by many sections of the community as being the most suitable candidate and for no other reason at all.

Many call centres would not exist if they weren't centred abroad! Companies don't have bottomless pits for such services nor consumers wanting to pay the additional costs of running them in the UK, let alone the staff willing to do such jobs.

There are many millions of people whose first language may not be English but whose English is better than many who are born here. My own wife being an example. She outscored all of her fellow students on the course she recently completed.

 


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DanH Flag SW2 20 Jul 19 12.06pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

The orange w*nker is having a go at Sadiq again, seemingly oblivious to the crime rates in his own country

 

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DanH Flag SW2 20 Jul 19 12.07pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The Mayor of London owes his job to a certain demographic.
Companies outsourcing call centre jobs is a purely economic decision. The number of people able to do them is unlimited - even people who don’t have English as a first language can be employed.

*dog whistle sounds*

I voted for him and i’m white and British mate.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 19 12.07pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

That GDP value bit is ok but What are the few other factors?

As they weren't specified we would have to ask the author of the report. I could only speculate that maybe he meant the quality of it's education and health provisions, freedom of expression etc etc, but that's just a quick guess.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 20 Jul 19 12.09pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

From all I heard he was voted for by many sections of the community as being the most suitable candidate and for no other reason at all.

Many call centres would not exist if they weren't centred abroad! Companies don't have bottomless pits for such services nor consumers wanting to pay the additional costs of running them in the UK, let alone the staff willing to do such jobs.

There are many millions of people whose first language may not be English but whose English is better than many who are born here. My own wife being an example. She outscored all of her fellow students on the course she recently completed.

But you will concede the possibility that other people may have heard differently. If he’s re-elected despite his lamentable performance it will be clear evidence that his suitability and competence are not the only factors in play.
Congratulations to your wife but that’s not always the case with call centre workers as literally anyone who’s ever dealt with one will confirm.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 20 Jul 19 12.12pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

*dog whistle sounds*

I voted for him and i’m white and British mate.

Woof woof.
The question is would you vote for him again? I may have voted for him on his manifesto but having seen him in action would rather have Mr. Bean in the job.

 

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