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Badger11 Beckenham 20 Jul 19 6.39am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There really aren't the immigration "woes" that so many here get their knickers in a twist over. They exist only in the minds of a few most directly affected and in some population pockets. That some thought they knew better some years ago and are chortling with indignation now means nothing. They neither had the responsibility then to try to see the big picture nor do they have any idea what things would actually be like if we had failed to bring in needed labour. One of my businesses would have had to have been shut down had I not been able to recruit from overseas. The UK labour was not available. How would that have benefited anyone, including all the other employees? New immigrants vote Labour. If the people of a particular country were hard core Tory voters I think that a Tory government would be issuing visa's like they were going out of fashion. What Blair did was naked self interest dressed up as compassion. In the same way that Blair / Brown moved thousands of civil service jobs from the south to Labour areas oop north.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 19 8.53am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
New immigrants vote Labour. If the people of a particular country were hard core Tory voters I think that a Tory government would be issuing visa's like they were going out of fashion. What Blair did was naked self interest dressed up as compassion. In the same way that Blair / Brown moved thousands of civil service jobs from the south to Labour areas oop north. That sounds just what a Trump cult member would say about immigrants supporting the Dems in the USA. Whilst we don't actually know how new immigrants vote, if indeed they vote at all, I agree that is probably more likely they would vote Labour than Tory. Not though because they any particular sympathy with socialism but that they feel the hostility from the Tories. This idea that ANY politician would issue visas just to glean votes is so nonsensical it beggars belief why anyone seriously suggests it. It's just a cheap slur circulated as a conspiracy theory. There would be much more of a negative impact from their traditional support than any positive one from new arrivals, which is why, I suspect, these matters are always discussed with great caution. Politicians know it's not popular with great swathes of the electorate but they also know it is economically necessary. Moving those jobs was a brave political decision. With high unemployment in areas of the north, caused by the changing world, and full employment in the south it made perfect sense to move jobs which were not area specific. It's done all the time. We have plenty of private back office functions here in Cornwall which have been moved out of London by private companies. In the internet age that's inevitable. Look at the number of call centre jobs now being done in India and elsewhere. It has nothing at all to do with votes. Just the availability of people able and willing to do the jobs. For the politicians that means keeping the economy working. Of course those individuals who are affected need to be helped and supported, but that's another issue completely. You don't make omelettes without breaking a few eggs.
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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Jul 19 9.23am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There really aren't the immigration "woes" that so many here get their knickers in a twist over. They exist only in the minds of a few most directly affected and in some population pockets. That some thought they knew better some years ago and are chortling with indignation now means nothing. They neither had the responsibility then to try to see the big picture nor do they have any idea what things would actually be like if we had failed to bring in needed labour. One of my businesses would have had to have been shut down had I not been able to recruit from overseas. The UK labour was not available. How would that have benefited anyone, including all the other employees? That is your problem in one sentence.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Jul 19 9.25am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That sounds just what a Trump cult member would say about immigrants supporting the Dems in the USA. Whilst we don't actually know how new immigrants vote, if indeed they vote at all, I agree that is probably more likely they would vote Labour than Tory. Not though because they any particular sympathy with socialism but that they feel the hostility from the Tories. This idea that ANY politician would issue visas just to glean votes is so nonsensical it beggars belief why anyone seriously suggests it. It's just a cheap slur circulated as a conspiracy theory. There would be much more of a negative impact from their traditional support than any positive one from new arrivals, which is why, I suspect, these matters are always discussed with great caution. Politicians know it's not popular with great swathes of the electorate but they also know it is economically necessary. Moving those jobs was a brave political decision. With high unemployment in areas of the north, caused by the changing world, and full employment in the south it made perfect sense to move jobs which were not area specific. It's done all the time. We have plenty of private back office functions here in Cornwall which have been moved out of London by private companies. In the internet age that's inevitable. Look at the number of call centre jobs now being done in India and elsewhere. It has nothing at all to do with votes. Just the availability of people able and willing to do the jobs. For the politicians that means keeping the economy working. Of course those individuals who are affected need to be helped and supported, but that's another issue completely. You don't make omelettes without breaking a few eggs. The Mayor of London owes his job to a certain demographic.
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cryrst The garden of England 20 Jul 19 10.05am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So once again we have claims being made that don't stand up. Let me quote from the report I referenced:- "The GDP value per capita of a country is an excellent way of measuring the wealth of a country because it takes into account the standard of living. By taking the GDP of a country and comparing it to the GDP of another country, you'll be able to accurately determine which country is richer than another, with a few other factors being taken into consideration as well." That makes perfect sense. People are not wealthy because of the size of a country's population or it's economy. What matters is their individual standard of living. By simple size of economy China is the second biggest, but per capita doesn't feature in the top 55. Would you think yourself rich just because there are a lot of you? Overall economic power might bring with it political clout but it is not an accurate measure of how rich a country is. Therefore the UK is richer than Japan and there is nothing disingenuous about stating that truth. That GDP value bit is ok but What are the few other factors?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 19 11.54am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That is your problem in one sentence. Oh I understand only too well! My remark was addressed to the opacity of your comment and not to any incapacity of mine. Which I note you have made no attempt to rectify!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 19 12.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The Mayor of London owes his job to a certain demographic. From all I heard he was voted for by many sections of the community as being the most suitable candidate and for no other reason at all. Many call centres would not exist if they weren't centred abroad! Companies don't have bottomless pits for such services nor consumers wanting to pay the additional costs of running them in the UK, let alone the staff willing to do such jobs. There are many millions of people whose first language may not be English but whose English is better than many who are born here. My own wife being an example. She outscored all of her fellow students on the course she recently completed.
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DanH SW2 20 Jul 19 12.06pm | |
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The orange w*nker is having a go at Sadiq again, seemingly oblivious to the crime rates in his own country
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DanH SW2 20 Jul 19 12.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The Mayor of London owes his job to a certain demographic. *dog whistle sounds* I voted for him and i’m white and British mate.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 19 12.07pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
That GDP value bit is ok but What are the few other factors? As they weren't specified we would have to ask the author of the report. I could only speculate that maybe he meant the quality of it's education and health provisions, freedom of expression etc etc, but that's just a quick guess.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Jul 19 12.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
From all I heard he was voted for by many sections of the community as being the most suitable candidate and for no other reason at all. Many call centres would not exist if they weren't centred abroad! Companies don't have bottomless pits for such services nor consumers wanting to pay the additional costs of running them in the UK, let alone the staff willing to do such jobs. There are many millions of people whose first language may not be English but whose English is better than many who are born here. My own wife being an example. She outscored all of her fellow students on the course she recently completed. But you will concede the possibility that other people may have heard differently. If he’s re-elected despite his lamentable performance it will be clear evidence that his suitability and competence are not the only factors in play.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Jul 19 12.12pm | |
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Woof woof.
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