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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 23 8.19am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

Ok, I’m reneging on my stated intent to leave the debate as you seemingly can’t bring yourself to accept a contrary point of view to your own.

Your view is there’s “ no freedom of speech argument “ - that’s your view, not a fact.

To quote the Prime Minister - Mr Sunak wrote on Twitter: “This is wrong. No one should be barred from using basic services for their political views. Free speech is the cornerstone of our democracy.”

So whether you agree and like it or not, that argument exists.

I think you are being pedantic over the use of a phrase. That people are arguing about freedom of speech being a concern doesn't mean the argument has any merit. As I said previously it is spurious. It's clearly untrue as the past week has demonstrated. That what Farage says is at the base of what has happened does not mean his ability to say it has been negatively impacted. If anything it has been amplified.

It's no more true than if someone argued that Harry Kane plays for Palace. The arguing would exist, but not the argument.

I expressed my opinion about the government's intervention in my previous comment. I think it's regrettable and politically motivated. What Sunak said is obviously true, but what is also true is that this isn't what has happened to Farage. He hasn't lost his account because of his views. It was removed by the bank because of their concerns about being associated with them. That's their decision. No one should be forced to be friends with someone they don't choose to be. This is no different.

I have thought that Sunak, and particularly Hunt, have been doing a good job given the appalling mess they inherited from Johnson and Truss. Not enough to save them at the next GE but enough to allow the Tories to survive and recover when a complete wipeout looked possible. Their fawning to Farage indicates just how much the Tories still fear him, and that is seriously unhealthy.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 23 8.24am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

It's not really a difficult situation to grasp. A big banking firm, in an industry which prides itself on customer privacy, then publicly disclosed the reason they have closed an individual's bank account.
Farage had nothing to do with this.
This was a situation entirely of Coutts making. Discrimination.
Farage has gained more empathy from this and I think if I were a Coutts customer, I would be a tad nervous that my personal details could be released on a whim.
If a company is going to have a 'policy change', then put the policy in the public domain, not your customers details.
Just totally inept handling by Coutts.

Lots of truth there. The bank has messed up big time and handed Farage a propaganda victory he could only have dreamt of being given. Whether they need, or would be wise, to publicly announce policy change is up to them. My own bank always advises changes to their small print, which I expect very few ever bother to read unless and until they are impacted by them.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 23 8.32am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Many would say you also have an obsession with our EU membership !

That's their right.

I would say I am convinced that the future of our country looked brighter the moment we realised that Brexit was a stupid mistake and started to rebuild a relationship.

That happened pretty soon after we finally withdrew, even if the demands of the pandemic obscured it for a while. Now it's well established with only 18% believing Brexit has been a success. The tide has turned.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 23 8.37am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Like most brexiteers, he does not have a problem with Europe, just with the EU.

It's an easy excuse, isn't it?

I love you, but not your politics.

Unfortunately, the two go hand in hand these days.

Sitting on a beach on one of the Costas is little compensation for losing the strength of the EU.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 23 8.39am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

You haven’t answered my question of how he has been hypocritical during the Couttt affair.

You haven't either read, or understood, the first 4 paragraphs of my previous response. Try again.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 29 Jul 23 8.47am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You haven't either read, or understood, the first 4 paragraphs of my previous response. Try again.

You have not described how Farage has been hypocritical in his response to his account with Coutts being closed down.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 29 Jul 23 8.49am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's their right.

I would say I am convinced that the future of our country looked brighter the moment we realised that Brexit was a stupid mistake and started to rebuild a relationship.

That happened pretty soon after we finally withdrew, even if the demands of the pandemic obscured it for a while. Now it's well established with only 18% believing Brexit has been a success. The tide has turned.

What percentage think rejoining would be a success?

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Jul 23 9.13am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

What percentage think rejoining would be a success?

72.3

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 29 Jul 23 9.19am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Excuse me for asking but what does that response have to do with the subject?

You never engage in any kind of rational debate. Instead you seem obsessed with delivering insults, rather than in any kind of exchange of view.

I have already given you far more attention than you deserve.


My post was in direct response to one of yours on the matter,

Describing your posts as I see them is not to my thinking insulting, if you choose to be insulted then that is fine.

Farage was de-banked because of Coutts/Natwest opinion of his views, because they chose not to like them does not make them wrong or right. Banks are not arbiters of right and wrong.

Millions of UK citizens agree with Farage's views.

Feel free to give me no attention at all.

Rational debate is seldom possible with an ideologue with an odd perception of fact and fiction.

Carry on


Edited by HKOwen (29 Jul 2023 9.19am)

Edited by HKOwen (29 Jul 2023 9.24am)

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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eaglesdare Flag 29 Jul 23 9.26am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

British economy will outperform Germany this year, IMF admits

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Not somthing those remoaners like to hear. I for one would definitely vote again for Brexit.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 23 9.28am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

You have not described how Farage has been hypocritical in his response to his account with Coutts being closed down.

Yes I have. If you don't understand how then that's your problem. I am not going to repeat it or explain it again. I have done that too often in the past for you to do it again.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 29 Jul 23 9.36am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes I have. If you don't understand how then that's your problem. I am not going to repeat it or explain it again. I have done that too often in the past for you to do it again.

As is often the case with you, what you say is simply not true. You have made various, predictable attacks on Farage but have not shown that he was hypocritical in relation to the Coutts affair.

 

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