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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 09 Oct 22 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
But you are making assumptions. The council did not say they cancelled the event due to public safety concerns their statement is quite clear as to why they cancelled it. And now you will not believe the BBC an organisation you defend all the time. Clutching at straws. Just looked up Nottingham City Council they are under special measures due to financial mismanagement. Perhaps they ought to focus on delivering services to the communities rather than virtue signalling. I wonder what the good burghers of Nottingham would prefer they do. Edited by Badger11 (09 Oct 2022 10.09am) We are all making assumptions. Was that statement by the council all they said, or was what was reported a selected extract? I don't know, do you? So it's not clear at all. I certainly trust the editorial standards of the BBC over most, if not all, newspapers. I am sure they wouldn't deliberately, and with malign intent, miss elements out their report. However, unless they attended the meeting, and heard the debate, they might not be fully aware of them. At the end of the day it is their space, and it's for them to decide who can use it. Other spaces are available. It was the short notice which was particularly unreasonable.
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Teddy Eagle  09 Oct 22 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's ought not be a vital component to this issue though. It is only because of a fear that a group of people, who mean no harm to anyone, are going to behave in ways they won't. Of course no-one thinks men should be allowed into spaces where they can make women feel uncomfortable. Transgenders aren't though men, so as long as they are discrete, and respectful, other women won't even be aware of their presence, let alone be threatened by them. It just requires common sense, awareness, respect and compassion to prevail. But physically, unless fully transitioned in which case there's no issue, they are men regardless of how they identify and like any group of people they won't all be discrete and respectful. Some may be happy to let a man get changed next to their wife or young daughter but lots of others won't.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Oct 22 3.11pm |
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Originally posted by becky
So if their body is male, then it must be the brain that thinks they are female since they have no other female attributes, cannot reproduce as a female and will never suffer from female diseases or conditions even after hormones and surgery. Glass rods up a blind alley is not equivalence. I suppose what matters is whether you believe physical or emotional attributes define a person. It seems that the experts, who we must assume know more than non-experts, have decided it's the emotional.
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Oct 22 3.45pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I suppose what matters is whether you believe physical or emotional attributes define a person. It seems that the experts, who we must assume know more than non-experts, have decided it's the emotional. Luckily those experts don't arrange boxing matches or definitions other than emotional might become clear.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Oct 22 4.55pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But physically, unless fully transitioned in which case there's no issue, they are men regardless of how they identify and like any group of people they won't all be discrete and respectful. Some may be happy to let a man get changed next to their wife or young daughter but lots of others won't. We are just going round in circles, aren't we? The transgenders, and the experts, both believe they are women, whether or not they have had, or intend to have, surgery. Do you want to force surgery onto someone who doesn't want it, just because it upsets your, or another's, sensitivities? If anyone behaves inappropriately, in any way at all, then they deserve to be thrown out and banned. For the others, if no-one knows, why make a fuss? If you do, you send women into a male area. How is that better?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Oct 22 4.56pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Luckily those experts don't arrange boxing matches or definitions other than emotional might become clear. The education is obviously urgently needed.
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Oct 22 5.16pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The education is obviously urgently needed. If you claim the only difference is emotional then I agree. It is. Very urgently.
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Oct 22 5.54pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We are just going round in circles, aren't we? The transgenders, and the experts, both believe they are women, whether or not they have had, or intend to have, surgery. Do you want to force surgery onto someone who doesn't want it, just because it upsets your, or another's, sensitivities? If anyone behaves inappropriately, in any way at all, then they deserve to be thrown out and banned. For the others, if no-one knows, why make a fuss? If you do, you send women into a male area. How is that better? So won't female to male transgender people be in the male area?
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 becky over the moon 09 Oct 22 6.55pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We are just going round in circles, aren't we? The transgenders, and the experts, both believe they are women, whether or not they have had, or intend to have, surgery. Do you want to force surgery onto someone who doesn't want it, just because it upsets your, or another's, sensitivities? If anyone behaves inappropriately, in any way at all, then they deserve to be thrown out and banned. For the others, if no-one knows, why make a fuss? If you do, you send women into a male area. How is that better?
Strangely, all the trans women I have had contact with couldn't wait to 'normalise' their bodies with their belief.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Oct 22 8.31pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
If you claim the only difference is emotional then I agree. It is. Very urgently. Many people have physical differences to what is thought “normal”! Why is this any different?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Oct 22 8.33pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So won't female to male transgender people be in the male area? I believe so. Using a cubicle to avoid embarrassment.
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Oct 22 8.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Many people have physical differences to what is thought “normal”! Why is this any different? What's different in a male/female boxing match? A huge amount.
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