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 Stirlingsays  08 Dec 20 8.58am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The Nazi's use of that salute, the way they forced their people to use it and its associations has meant it has become tainted with evil. In fact it was used by the Romans and by many others previously so was never "owned" by the Germans. That's just a perception. This has the same end as do most of your arguments. It ends with the emperor having no clothes....when presented with an example proving how ridiculous the position is. You end up saying something is so because you think it is. You have nothing else.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 9.03am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What you have written doesn't address anything I've said. Indeed, you have just repeated points I have just shown are flawed and full of double standard. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2020 8.40am) Your post questioned the denial of support for any political motivations and then that people were saying that because the FA have told them that's their position. My response directly contradicts those assertions as being factually inaccurate so has everything to do with your post. I ignored the bit about "Proud Boys" for being the irrelevancy it is.
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| Spiderman Horsham 08 Dec 20 9.05am |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
But people have been taking the knee in protest way way before BLM. See Colin Kaepernick for example. Yes but the media here and in particular Sky Sports have encouraged it to become associated. Together with the BLM events throughout the UK that “took the knee”. It is no wonder the gesture is associated with them is it? Edited by Spiderman (08 Dec 2020 9.06am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 9.07am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This has the same end as do most of your arguments. It ends with the emperor having no clothes....when presented with an example proving how ridiculous the position is. You end up saying something is so because you think it is. You have nothing else. You really don't like being presented with facts do you? Especially when they destroy one of your hobby horses. You have lost this argument. That ought to be crystal clear by now. Time to go off and choose another drum to bang.
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| Spiderman Horsham 08 Dec 20 9.11am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Not true it is making no difference. There is a renewed push on diversity and inclusion from employers. Senior black candidates are in particular demand and are in short supply. Serious questions: Would the best candidate get the job or would it be decided on colour? Why are they in demand, to satisfy quotas?
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| Stirlingsays 08 Dec 20 9.12am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your post questioned the denial of support for any political motivations and then that people were saying that because the FA have told them that's their position. My response directly contradicts those assertions as being factually inaccurate so has everything to do with your post. I ignored the bit about "Proud Boys" for being the irrelevancy it is. The 'proud boy' point exposures the FAs and your whole position for the 'it is because I say it is' nonsense and double standard. That's why you avoided it. As for you point about the FA....both QPR and Coventry showed that basically the vast majority of footballers will do what their employers tell them to do. The idea that a footballer or official out there who doesn't agree with kneeling would be fine if they ignored kneeling and stood while the rest of their side knelt is ridiculous. They would be attacked by all the usual suspects and probably think they just don't need it.
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| DanH SW2 08 Dec 20 9.33am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The 'proud boy' point exposures the FAs and your whole position for the 'it is because I say it is' nonsense and double standard. That's why you avoided it. As for you point about the FA....both QPR and Coventry showed that basically the vast majority of footballers will do what their employers tell them to do. The idea that a footballer or official out there who doesn't agree with kneeling would be fine if they ignored kneeling and stood while the rest of their side knelt is ridiculous. They would be attacked by all the usual suspects and probably think they just don't need it. The players asked to do it. Not the clubs. But still, don't let facts get in the way, as usual.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 9.41am |
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Brilliant. Before social media was available to androgynous males, all you’d know about players via matchday programmes, was there favourite music and food. They aren’t political commentators or ambassadors. They’ve been paid to play football since and during school.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 9.48am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No political organisation owns a gesture do they? "Taking the knee" was started by Colin Kaepernick and has grown as a symbol to show support for anti-racism. It has nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of political ideology. Whether an organisation uses it or tries to hijack it is immaterial. The FA are saying it not as an instruction to anybody. They are saying it because it's a fact. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Dec 2020 8.47am) When the black rioters made the police take the knee before the rioters took the p1ss and BLM’s statements ruined any kind of innocent intentions.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 9.57am |
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Originally posted by DanH
The players asked to do it. Not the clubs. But still, don't let facts get in the way, as usual. Every single player in England asked did they, and still would do? He’s right, you are Benjamin Button.
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| DanH SW2 08 Dec 20 9.59am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Brilliant. Before social media was available to androgynous males, all you’d know about players via matchday programmes, was there favourite music and food. They aren’t political commentators or ambassadors. They’ve been paid to play football since and during school. But again, times change. Players now have platforms. They are seen by millions and millions of people all over the world. They are role models who kids aspire to be. Why should they just be pawns for your entertainment just because they happen to be well paid compared to you? I really don't square how some on here are happy with the gesture being booed, yet can happily sit and watch Palace play. We had 7 black players in our starting line up on Sunday. Wilf has published a few times examples of some of the racist abuse he has to put up with. If this is a gesture that our players want to make, surely you should support that? Wonder how many on here would be brave enough to stand up in front of a room of our players and explain why they would boo it. Edited by DanH (08 Dec 2020 9.59am)
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| Stirlingsays 08 Dec 20 10.00am |
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Originally posted by DanH
The players asked to do it. Not the clubs. But still, don't let facts get in the way, as usual. The coach and the director of football at QPR Les Ferdinand came out against kneeling a few weeks back...Really weird then that all of a sudden his players stopped kneeling. No doubt if he had been white he'd have people like you on his back.....Indoctrinated self hating coporate lackeys. I haven't looked into the Coventry situation. To believe that all players are of the same attitude is simple minded. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2020 10.02am)
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