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Bangell Oxford 20 Apr 19 4.52pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle I don't think it's as stupid a question as it sounds. If you could of taken away the madness then he may have become a great leader. He restored national pride, finances and improved infrastructure. Shame he was a power hungry little racist cretin. Well I did dignify the question by pointing out the way that many ordinary Germans did benefit in the short term, but ultimately Hitler was never going to be a great leader - war and racial supremacy were inseparable components of his world view, much of the economic recovery relied on war production, and the entire Nazi administrative system promoted increasing radicalisation of policy. But back to Wayne... I for one have no doubt believing that a PL footballer could be entirely ignorant of history
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Bangell

Oxford 20 Apr 19 4.52pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

I don't think it's as stupid a question as it sounds. If you could of taken away the madness then he may have become a great leader.

He restored national pride, finances and improved infrastructure.

Shame he was a power hungry little racist cretin.

Well I did dignify the question by pointing out the way that many ordinary Germans did benefit in the short term, but ultimately Hitler was never going to be a great leader - war and racial supremacy were inseparable components of his world view, much of the economic recovery relied on war production, and the entire Nazi administrative system promoted increasing radicalisation of policy.

But back to Wayne... I for one have no doubt believing that a PL footballer could be entirely ignorant of history

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Stirlingsays 20 Apr 19 5.13pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Wasn’t trying to suggest you were! Even Pussay would have a tough job listing Hitler’s good points. As we know the National socialists ended up murdering millions of Jews and non Jews and bombed that chippie down the road. In terms of 'good things' Hitler believed in like good pensions and profit sharing it is obviously a rather touchy subject because he's up there with the worst mass murderers. The material is out there like Hitler's 25 points for those that are seriously interested in a deeper look.....It really is what it says...a mixture of nationalism and socialism...with hatred of the Jews thrown in... ultimately the whole episode is surrounded in tragedy and countless wasted lives. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Apr 2019 5.14pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Apr 19 5.13pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Wasn’t trying to suggest you were!
Even Pussay would have a tough job listing Hitler’s good points.

As we know the National socialists ended up murdering millions of Jews and non Jews and bombed that chippie down the road.

In terms of 'good things' Hitler believed in like good pensions and profit sharing it is obviously a rather touchy subject because he's up there with the worst mass murderers.

The material is out there like Hitler's 25 points for those that are seriously interested in a deeper look.....It really is what it says...a mixture of nationalism and socialism...with hatred of the Jews thrown in... ultimately the whole episode is surrounded in tragedy and countless wasted lives.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Apr 2019 5.14pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 20 Apr 19 6.39pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays As we know the National socialists ended up murdering millions of Jews and non Jews and bombed that chippie down the road. In terms of 'good things' Hitler believed in like good pensions and profit sharing it is obviously a rather touchy subject because he's up there with the worst mass murderers. The material is out there like Hitler's 25 points for those that are seriously interested in a deeper look.....It really is what it says...a mixture of nationalism and socialism...with hatred of the Jews thrown in... ultimately the whole episode is surrounded in tragedy and countless wasted lives. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Apr 2019 5.14pm) Largely the touted ‘good points’ were simple expropriations of prior scheme. We have discussed this before.
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Croydon 20 Apr 19 6.39pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As we know the National socialists ended up murdering millions of Jews and non Jews and bombed that chippie down the road.

In terms of 'good things' Hitler believed in like good pensions and profit sharing it is obviously a rather touchy subject because he's up there with the worst mass murderers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Apr 2019 5.14pm)

Largely the touted ‘good points’ were simple expropriations of prior scheme. We have discussed this before.

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Mapletree Croydon 20 Apr 19 6.41pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The British used the scorched earth policy to bring the Boers to terms. You said that it was the purpose to kill women and children. That's not correct, it was carrot and stick and the Boer chose stick. Was it justifiable? No, not really, but it ultimately it won that war.....which was largely pointless to begin with. Again, what the opposition say in parliament is no more reality than what the government say. Because of the opposition's objections to those camps Kitchener closed them and higher numbers then starved. There is no such thing as agreeing to fight a war and not signing the death warrant of innocents. Indeed, if a country declares war on you....and you decide not to fight it and are invaded....you are then operating on their mercy.....In most cases still indirectly signing their death warrant. The British chose to ensure the deaths of women and children under their care It seems you really do think that justified. Wow.
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Croydon 20 Apr 19 6.41pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The British used the scorched earth policy to bring the Boers to terms. You said that it was the purpose to kill women and children. That's not correct, it was carrot and stick and the Boer chose stick.

Was it justifiable? No, not really, but it ultimately it won that war.....which was largely pointless to begin with.

Again, what the opposition say in parliament is no more reality than what the government say. Because of the opposition's objections to those camps Kitchener closed them and higher numbers then starved.

There is no such thing as agreeing to fight a war and not signing the death warrant of innocents. Indeed, if a country declares war on you....and you decide not to fight it and are invaded....you are then operating on their mercy.....In most cases still indirectly signing their death warrant.

The British chose to ensure the deaths of women and children under their care

It seems you really do think that justified.

Wow.

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Sportyteacher London 20 Apr 19 6.48pm
This just gets to become even more cringworthy: Wayne Hennessey 'desperate' to learn about Nazis - Crystal Palace boss Roy Hodgson: [Link] Not heard of a library or Wikipedia? On a serious note, go and visit Holocaust exhibition at Imperial War Museum or Auschwitz Concentration Camp and then he'll clock on to gravity of offence that his gesture caused. Doh!
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Sportyteacher

London 20 Apr 19 6.48pm

This just gets to become even more cringworthy:

Wayne Hennessey 'desperate' to learn about Nazis - Crystal Palace boss Roy Hodgson:

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Not heard of a library or Wikipedia?

On a serious note, go and visit Holocaust exhibition at Imperial War Museum or Auschwitz Concentration Camp and then he'll clock on to gravity of offence that his gesture caused. Doh!

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 20 Apr 19 6.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays As we know the National socialists ended up murdering millions of Jews and non Jews and bombed that chippie down the road. In terms of 'good things' Hitler believed in like good pensions and profit sharing it is obviously a rather touchy subject because he's up there with the worst mass murderers. The material is out there like Hitler's 25 points for those that are seriously interested in a deeper look.....It really is what it says...a mixture of nationalism and socialism...with hatred of the Jews thrown in... ultimately the whole episode is surrounded in tragedy and countless wasted lives. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Apr 2019 5.14pm) He wouldn't have got where he did without the anti-Jewish aspect. There were a multitude of political parties on Germany at that time, all peddling the same kind of stuff but it was the "something's got to be done about it" rhetoric that swept him into power. Edited by Cucking Funt (20 Apr 2019 6.50pm) Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 20 Apr 19 6.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As we know the National socialists ended up murdering millions of Jews and non Jews and bombed that chippie down the road.

In terms of 'good things' Hitler believed in like good pensions and profit sharing it is obviously a rather touchy subject because he's up there with the worst mass murderers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Apr 2019 5.14pm)

He wouldn't have got where he did without the anti-Jewish aspect. There were a multitude of political parties on Germany at that time, all peddling the same kind of stuff but it was the "something's got to be done about it" rhetoric that swept him into power.

Edited by Cucking Funt (20 Apr 2019 6.50pm)

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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soulboy Lewisham 20 Apr 19 7.35pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah, people don't tend to like losing wars do they. Without the concentration camps even more of the Boers would have died.....you can tell them that because that's factual.....because that's what happened after the British stopped them. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2019 8.06pm) Interestingly Jacob Rees-Mogg expressed a very similar viewpoint on BBCs QT, leading to wholesale condemnation in the Sth African media with the right wing Afrikaan lobby group, Afriforum, labelling Rees-Mogg as "ignorant". [Link] "Deviance is a freedom enjoyed in a city of lightly engaged strangers"
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soulboy

Lewisham 20 Apr 19 7.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, people don't tend to like losing wars do they.

Without the concentration camps even more of the Boers would have died.....you can tell them that because that's factual.....because that's what happened after the British stopped them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2019 8.06pm)

Interestingly Jacob Rees-Mogg expressed a very similar viewpoint on BBCs QT, leading to wholesale condemnation in the Sth African media with the right wing Afrikaan lobby group, Afriforum, labelling Rees-Mogg as "ignorant".

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"Deviance is a freedom enjoyed in a city of lightly engaged strangers"

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Stirlingsays 20 Apr 19 8.05pm
Originally posted by soulboy Interestingly Jacob Rees-Mogg expressed a very similar viewpoint on BBCs QT, leading to wholesale condemnation in the Sth African media with the right wing Afrikaan lobby group, Afriforum, labelling Rees-Mogg as "ignorant". [Link] Well, if I take my English/British glasses off I'd say they have a right to be angry about the scorched earth policy. That wins you a war, but making your enemy choose between starvation and coming to terms isn't honorable that's for sure. The Boers choose starvation......frigging middle ages crap right there. This was a white man's war on African land for who got to control it. A war between Europeans, where the boer were worried about the British making alliances and land promises with Zulus to weaken them further....that probably was the biggest aspect to them agreeing to join the British empire than anything else in the end. The Afrikaners are hardcore and there will be that element who fight to the death.....it's tragic. I don't agree with taking land without compensation....those farms were built up by Europeans where nothing like them existed before. There should be fairness there. However, while I don't agree with how the African governments are going about things..... that land is African and they are Europeans. As I said, if they were really Africans they would have assimilated into the population hundreds of years ago. They should be under no illusions about what's coming down the pipe. But like in the war with the British, the Boer will probably fight until they can't fight anymore. I urge them to get out while they can. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Apr 2019 8.09pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

20 Apr 19 8.05pm

Originally posted by soulboy

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Well, if I take my English/British glasses off I'd say they have a right to be angry about the scorched earth policy.

That wins you a war, but making your enemy choose between starvation and coming to terms isn't honorable that's for sure. The Boers choose starvation......frigging middle ages crap right there.

This was a white man's war on African land for who got to control it. A war between Europeans, where the boer were worried about the British making alliances and land promises with Zulus to weaken them further....that probably was the biggest aspect to them agreeing to join the British empire than anything else in the end.

The Afrikaners are hardcore and there will be that element who fight to the death.....it's tragic. I don't agree with taking land without compensation....those farms were built up by Europeans where nothing like them existed before. There should be fairness there.

However, while I don't agree with how the African governments are going about things..... that land is African and they are Europeans. As I said, if they were really Africans they would have assimilated into the population hundreds of years ago.

They should be under no illusions about what's coming down the pipe. But like in the war with the British, the Boer will probably fight until they can't fight anymore.

I urge them to get out while they can.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Apr 2019 8.09pm)

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Stirlingsays 20 Apr 19 8.15pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt He wouldn't have got where he did without the anti-Jewish aspect. There were a multitude of political parties on Germany at that time, all peddling the same kind of stuff but it was the "something's got to be done about it" rhetoric that swept him into power. Edited by Cucking Funt (20 Apr 2019 6.50pm) Bread and Work. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

20 Apr 19 8.15pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Edited by Cucking Funt (20 Apr 2019 6.50pm)

Bread and Work.

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Stirlingsays 20 Apr 19 8.19pm
Originally posted by Mapletree The British chose to ensure the deaths of women and children under their care It seems you really do think that justified. Wow. Not really Maple, I don't think you're really getting what I'm saying. As for the people they took in.....A British camp shouldn't have been subject to what happened. And like I said, the whole war was pointless anyway. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

20 Apr 19 8.19pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

The British chose to ensure the deaths of women and children under their care

It seems you really do think that justified.

Wow.

Not really Maple, I don't think you're really getting what I'm saying.

As for the people they took in.....A British camp shouldn't have been subject to what happened. And like I said, the whole war was pointless anyway.

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Stirlingsays 20 Apr 19 8.25pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Largely the touted ‘good points’ were simple expropriations of prior scheme. We have discussed this before. It was expanded, something you seemed to have had a problem with conceding. But an inconvenient truth is still better than a comfortable lie. Common sense that our society still isn't ready for. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

20 Apr 19 8.25pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Largely the touted ‘good points’ were simple expropriations of prior scheme. We have discussed this before.

It was expanded, something you seemed to have had a problem with conceding.

But an inconvenient truth is still better than a comfortable lie.

Common sense that our society still isn't ready for.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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