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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 09 Aug 17 9.22am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Err...sorry but Wilf has to put up with idiots saying idiotic stuff because he's a public figure. We all have to put up with the negatives of freedom of speech in life. Clubs are private companies and can look to ban immature wallies doing things like this. I would warn them first but anti social behaviour ultimately has a sanction. This does not mean that I accept the dangerous idea that 'words are violence'. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Aug 2017 4.05am) On the Alfie documentary Cardiff City have taken this approach with anyone shouting abuse at any players or fans. They have most ticket holders' mobile numbers so if they need to warn them they give them a friendly phone call to calm it down. Seems to work apparently. But then there's bald, 50 year old Chelsea fans in replica where 3 points mean more than life at home. Points earned by players that care about playing for them because they can earn more there. If you showed them their behaviour they wouldn't be embarrassed. There's an app at Cardiff and Millwall and places where you can inform security of bad behaviour. That's not being used much. I don't think it will for a long time. Loyalty to your own etc etc. I agree that words are not violence. Absurd. I appreciate people want to protect minorities or the vulnerable but people should always be allowed an opinion. Things like that will only go further beneath the surface and you should have confidence in our civilised society to deal with it. Edited by Rudi Hedman (09 Aug 2017 9.23am)
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| Part Time James 09 Aug 17 9.26am |
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I think a big problem comes from the fact that the only people that pay any attention to the "don't be racist/sexist/homophobic" instructions we regularly hear, are people that weren't in the first place. At least not in the context of being the true target for those directives. The truly racist, sexist and homophobic people either don't hear these messages or chose not to. So that leaves a bunch of people who never intended to discriminate being constantly reminded not to discriminate. That can lead to feelings of resentment and that they are being thought policed. There's no answer to this by the way, it's just my observation.
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| Stirlingsays 09 Aug 17 9.32am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Stirling,If some kids make monkey noises at a black kid in the playground,what should a teacher do? Do nothing because its wrong to interfere with/censor free speech? Try to educate the abusers as to why racism is stupid If they persist,just let them carry on,or invoke sanctions against the abusers (and please none of this diversionary guff about most teachers being left wing) God, your post is so annoying....I've tackled this stuff so many times already. I don't believe in telling people what they should think or feel about other people. I encourage students to treat each other well. Within an environment such as a school open abuse of someone else isn't acceptable....Well it isn't good anyway...but uncontrolled environments...Should we be arresting people on protest marches who shout stuff we don't like? Anyway to your specific example, they would get a phone call home to discuss the problem. I've probably done this more times than I care to remember over the years. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Aug 2017 9.35am)
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Kermit8  Hevon 09 Aug 17 9.34am |
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Can't beat a bit of evidence based analysis Apparatus: Me with a nasty mouth Method: Found a frail 85 year old to direct expletives at. Conclusion: You can make an old person cry and shake and feel absolutely terrorised using just words and make them feel ill with worry for months after. But they were just words so no big deal. At least i didn't use violence. And apologies to Willo.
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| Stirlingsays 09 Aug 17 9.39am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Can't beat a bit of evidence based analysis Apparatus: Me with a nasty mouth Method: Found a frail 85 year old to direct expletives at. Conclusion: You can make an old person cry and shake and feel absolutely terrorised using just words and make them feel ill with worry for months after. But they were just words so no big deal. At least i didn't use violence. And apologies to Willo. Still starting sentences with 'And' I see. Rebel.
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| Stirlingsays 09 Aug 17 9.41am |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I think a big problem comes from the fact that the only people that pay any attention to the "don't be racist/sexist/homophobic" instructions we regularly hear, are people that weren't in the first place. At least not in the context of being the true target for those directives. The truly racist, sexist and homophobic people either don't hear these messages or chose not to. So that leaves a bunch of people who never intended to discriminate being constantly reminded not to discriminate. That can lead to feelings of resentment and that they are being thought policed. Careful what you say.....Someone might be offended or start crying. Remember this....if they start crying....you are automatically in the wrong....because...you know...upset feelings trump anything else.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Aug 17 9.43am |
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You can outside school, where you can be trusted to correctly, can't you?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Aug 17 9.47am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Can't beat a bit of evidence based analysis Apparatus: Me with a nasty mouth Method: Found a frail 85 year old to direct expletives at. Conclusion: You can make an old person cry and shake and feel absolutely terrorised using just words and make them feel ill with worry for months after. But they were just words so no big deal. At least i didn't use violence. And apologies to Willo. Ageist and yourself picking on the vulnerable (Willo). Deserves vilification?
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| Stirlingsays 09 Aug 17 9.59am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You can outside school, where you can be trusted to correctly, can't you? It's just a little joke that me and Kermy have.
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| Part Time James 09 Aug 17 10.06am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Careful what you say.....Someone might be offended or start crying. Remember this....if they start crying....you are automatically in the wrong....because...you know...upset feelings trump anything else.
I've always liked the quote "Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right". I think that's a very concise way to put it. Of course, it doesn't mean you're not right either, it's just the assumption a few people like to make.
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| Mapletree Croydon 09 Aug 17 10.06am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Shame on you mate. I don't agree with your interpreatio0n of the 'hate speech' laws. They were brought in because of problems with Islamic preachers. People like you want to widen out and restrict others...that was not the intent. Katie Hopkins makes a good living commenting while these 'hate speech' laws exist so I think your interpretation is one that exists in your own head. You can stick your shame where the sun don't shine. Islamic preachers? Are you sure? Originally to reduce anti Semitism I believe. The POA has been used in a variety of situations and to me - largely - the precedents have struck the right balance.
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| Username Horsham 09 Aug 17 10.12am |
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Ignoring any freedom of speech/opinion/censorship argument, we're all supposed to be Palace fans. We're supposed to be one, a family and our loyalty is to the team. We all joined this site because this club is important to us. Singing a homophobic song might be 'aimed' at Brighton and Hove Albion and not directly at the LBGT community as some have said, but as has been voiced on here it can still make Palace fans uncomfortable, while heterosexual Brighton fans probably don't care at all other than using it as a stick to beat us with. So why on earth should we persist with something that can cause more pain and upset to our own, whilst giving fuel to the opposition?
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