So your post about 'regressives' was moving the debate forward eh?

I'll let others decide that.

As for debating immigrant crime. No point.
The liberal left will blame the judiciary, the police,the right wing, the government, poverty, racism, social mobility and absolutely anything rather than admit that immigrants commit more crime than the existing population and that the problem could be reduced by having a lot less immigrants. Various governments will bend over backward to airbrush the reality so they can continue their highly unpopular plans for mass immigration until we the voters stop them. Sweden has already seen the light and cut immigration already. Now they have to spin the mess they have already made.

No it's not always the immigrants fault and all of the factors I have listed above do have an effect for sure, but the whole issue begins when we allow people to come here or Sweden and begin their new lives with an immediate disadvantage, whereby they occupy the lowest levels of society, many having little desire to be absorbed into the existing one.
And I'm just talking about the regulars. I haven't mentioned,the drug traffickers,the slave trade bosses,the rape gang rings, The street gang members, the criminal gangs, the terrorist cells, the religious/political agitators. All the things that are a reality of mass immigration and one's that the liberal left want to turn a blind eye to to protect an ideology. I site Rotherham as one example of many.

That said, the average immigrant is just an opportunist. He/she wants a better life. He/she is not to blame for a system that encourages people to migrate. He/she can be just as easily be a victim of that system. These people don't deserve to be made pariahs, they are just people doing what people do.

The trouble is that their plight impacts on my plight and yours and our kids and as I have said many times, my priority is to them first. Some bloke from Poland or Nigeria is way down my list of priorities, it's that simple.

Now this subject is getting very boring. Neither of us will alter out opinions so I'm done.

Rolls Royce is wholly owned by the German Company, BMW, so more crime by immigrant company owners?

Edited by hedgehog50 (03 Mar 2017 7.54am)

The liberal left will blame absolutely anything rather than admit that immigrants commit more crime than the existing population and that the problem could be reduced by having a lot less immigrants.

Sorry to jump in but this statement is just utter bollocks.

I guess there's a possibility that street crime committed by immigrants might be at higher levels per capita than that committed by the "existing population".

But the financial value of tax evasion, fraud, corporate crime like stealing pension funds, misreporting balance sheets, bribery etc etc is much bigger in value than a few pilfered wallets and little old lady's life savings kept under the bed.

Rolls Royce for example were just found guilty of paying bribes relating to foreign trade contracts. They settled on paying £671m to the UK Serious Fraud Office and the US state dept.

The agreement reached with the court is called a Deferred Prosecution Agreement which allows Rolls Royce to avoid prosecution which would restrict the company from continuing to do business abroad.

Our PM visited Turkey a few days later where fortunately she was able to discuss defence contracts with that nice Mr Recep Tayyip Erdogan to compensate for the anticipated losses caused by Brexit.

You'd be hard pushed as an immigrant or in fact any average bloke in the street to compete with that level of crime.

So quit talking crap please.

Edited by Pista (02 Mar 2017 11.14pm)