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Several hundred unaccompanied minors being looked after by Kent Social Services.

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I've got to view this as helping your kid over the fence and hoping to get yourself in later legally because as bad as a makeshift camp in Calais must be, it can't be that bad to want to send your a kid out to the streets of Kent.


A lot of the kids start their trek without their families in tow for a variety of reasons so it probably wasn't their ma or pa or uncle helping them over. Most of the poor sods are thousands of miles away from what was once their home or fleeing a rotten future existence or possibly ex-child soldiers.

One thing is for sure - they need help.

Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?


You've lost me. Unfortunately, kids are used in some conflicts in third world countries and places like Syria as you well know. Some are also conscripted in their early teens.

Yes I undertand that but please see my edit. You're looking at the extreme end and ignoring the fact that most haven't even come from such places, lumping them all in together.

Sadly this mnetality fuels the backlash and means we either let all or no one in.

Edited by johnfirewall (31 Jul 2015 1.54pm)


It doesn't really matter how they got here if they are kids still. Help them first and worry about their place of birth later. Who on earth would turn their back on a child in need of assistance?


France. Are you not paying attention, Kerm?

 

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Cameron going on this morning about truckers and holiday makers. What about the people in Kent, Ashford, Folkestone, Maidstone, etc, whose lives are being affected day in day out. He clearly hasn't grasped the situation.

There's no north/south divide, it's just a London/The rest divide.

 
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Quote Kermit8 at 31 Jul 2015 1.56pm

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Quote Kermit8 at 31 Jul 2015 1.43pm

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Quote johnfirewall at 31 Jul 2015 1.25pm

Several hundred unaccompanied minors being looked after by Kent Social Services.

[Link]

I've got to view this as helping your kid over the fence and hoping to get yourself in later legally because as bad as a makeshift camp in Calais must be, it can't be that bad to want to send your a kid out to the streets of Kent.


A lot of the kids start their trek without their families in tow for a variety of reasons so it probably wasn't their ma or pa or uncle helping them over. Most of the poor sods are thousands of miles away from what was once their home or fleeing a rotten future existence or possibly ex-child soldiers.

One thing is for sure - they need help.

Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?


You've lost me. Unfortunately, kids are used in some conflicts in third world countries and places like Syria as you well know. Some are also conscripted in their early teens.

Yes I undertand that but please see my edit. You're looking at the extreme end and ignoring the fact that most haven't even come from such places, lumping them all in together.

Sadly this mnetality fuels the backlash and means we either let all or no one in.

Edited by johnfirewall (31 Jul 2015 1.54pm)


It doesn't really matter how they got here if they are kids still. Help them first and worry about their place of birth later. Who on earth would turn their back on a child in need of assistance?


Well go over and help with one of the Calais soup kitchens if you feel that strongly.

 
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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 31 Jul 15 2.26pm

Quote Kermit8 at 31 Jul 2015 1.56pm

Quote johnfirewall at 31 Jul 2015 1.53pm

Quote Kermit8 at 31 Jul 2015 1.43pm

Quote johnfirewall at 31 Jul 2015 1.36pm

Quote Kermit8 at 31 Jul 2015 1.31pm

Quote johnfirewall at 31 Jul 2015 1.25pm

Several hundred unaccompanied minors being looked after by Kent Social Services.

[Link]

I've got to view this as helping your kid over the fence and hoping to get yourself in later legally because as bad as a makeshift camp in Calais must be, it can't be that bad to want to send your a kid out to the streets of Kent.


A lot of the kids start their trek without their families in tow for a variety of reasons so it probably wasn't their ma or pa or uncle helping them over. Most of the poor sods are thousands of miles away from what was once their home or fleeing a rotten future existence or possibly ex-child soldiers.

One thing is for sure - they need help.

Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?


You've lost me. Unfortunately, kids are used in some conflicts in third world countries and places like Syria as you well know. Some are also conscripted in their early teens.

Yes I undertand that but please see my edit. You're looking at the extreme end and ignoring the fact that most haven't even come from such places, lumping them all in together.

Sadly this mnetality fuels the backlash and means we either let all or no one in.

Edited by johnfirewall (31 Jul 2015 1.54pm)


It doesn't really matter how they got here if they are kids still. Help them first and worry about their place of birth later. Who on earth would turn their back on a child in need of assistance?

Is this your complete immigration policy?

 

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“None of us want to live like this. I just want to live in Britain, make a family, take my kids to school”

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Poor, poor people in war-torn France. Pray for them, please.


'War-torn' ????


War-torn, rhymes with irony.


Well why can't they do that in Italy, Greece, Germany, France, Spain, Belgium or Holland? Oh I forgot!! They want benefits too! How silly of me! Well they can f*** off back whence they came because the sensible majority don't want them here!

 
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what are/aren't the french doing? haven't seen anything about that and i can't read french very well.

 
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what are/aren't the french doing? haven't seen anything about that and i can't read french very well.

Reading books about politeness and pretending they can't speak English.

 

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Quote nairb75 at 31 Jul 2015 2.41pm

what are/aren't the french doing? haven't seen anything about that and i can't read french very well.


Lots of Gallic shrugging.

 

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Quote johnfirewall at 31 Jul 2015 1.36pm

Quote Kermit8 at 31 Jul 2015 1.31pm

Quote johnfirewall at 31 Jul 2015 1.25pm

Several hundred unaccompanied minors being looked after by Kent Social Services.

[Link]

I've got to view this as helping your kid over the fence and hoping to get yourself in later legally because as bad as a makeshift camp in Calais must be, it can't be that bad to want to send your a kid out to the streets of Kent.


A lot of the kids start their trek without their families in tow for a variety of reasons so it probably wasn't their ma or pa or uncle helping them over. Most of the poor sods are thousands of miles away from what was once their home or fleeing a rotten future existence or possibly ex-child soldiers.

One thing is for sure - they need help.

Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?

Again every one falling under the absurd lefty 'better life' umbrella for accepting migrants.

We all want a better life. People up north want to move to London for a better life. People come in legally from destitute parts of Europe but the fact that others have jumped on a lorry because France wasn't very welcoming is no indication that they left hellish conditions in their native country, not does it make it right.

Edited by johnfirewall (31 Jul 2015 1.49pm)


He evidently doesn't realise how absurd it sounds or he wouldn't have typed this absolute dross.
I tell you what, let's help the whole bloody world shall we? I'm going to give up my house, car, job, wife and kids so an immigrant family can have them all. Here's my wallet with all my bank details in, HELP YOURSELF! I'M BENDING OVER NOW WITH MY TROUSERS DOWN! HELP YOURSELF!! IT'S ALL YOUR'S!!

FFS get a grip will you? There's plenty of other places for them to go and they should be made to go there. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, NO MORE. SURELY SOMEBODY HAS SOME COMMON F**K**G sense.

 
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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 31 Jul 15 3.02pm

Quote fed up eagle at 31 Jul 2015 2.50pm

Quote johnfirewall at 31 Jul 2015 1.36pm

Quote Kermit8 at 31 Jul 2015 1.31pm

Quote johnfirewall at 31 Jul 2015 1.25pm

Several hundred unaccompanied minors being looked after by Kent Social Services.

[Link]

I've got to view this as helping your kid over the fence and hoping to get yourself in later legally because as bad as a makeshift camp in Calais must be, it can't be that bad to want to send your a kid out to the streets of Kent.


A lot of the kids start their trek without their families in tow for a variety of reasons so it probably wasn't their ma or pa or uncle helping them over. Most of the poor sods are thousands of miles away from what was once their home or fleeing a rotten future existence or possibly ex-child soldiers.

One thing is for sure - they need help.

Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?

Again every one falling under the absurd lefty 'better life' umbrella for accepting migrants.

We all want a better life. People up north want to move to London for a better life. People come in legally from destitute parts of Europe but the fact that others have jumped on a lorry because France wasn't very welcoming is no indication that they left hellish conditions in their native country, not does it make it right.

Edited by johnfirewall (31 Jul 2015 1.49pm)


He evidently doesn't realise how absurd it sounds or he wouldn't have typed this absolute dross.
I tell you what, let's help the whole bloody world shall we? I'm going to give up my house, car, job, wife and kids so an immigrant family can have them all. Here's my wallet with all my bank details in, HELP YOURSELF! I'M BENDING OVER NOW WITH MY TROUSERS DOWN! HELP YOURSELF!! IT'S ALL YOUR'S!!

FFS get a grip will you? There's plenty of other places for them to go and they should be made to go there. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, NO MORE. SURELY SOMEBODY HAS SOME COMMON F**K**G sense.

Never underestimate the lack of common sense of the New Left.

 

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Quote leggedstruggle at 31 Jul 2015 3.02pm

Quote fed up eagle at 31 Jul 2015 2.50pm

Quote johnfirewall at 31 Jul 2015 1.36pm

Quote Kermit8 at 31 Jul 2015 1.31pm

Quote johnfirewall at 31 Jul 2015 1.25pm

Several hundred unaccompanied minors being looked after by Kent Social Services.

[Link]

I've got to view this as helping your kid over the fence and hoping to get yourself in later legally because as bad as a makeshift camp in Calais must be, it can't be that bad to want to send your a kid out to the streets of Kent.


A lot of the kids start their trek without their families in tow for a variety of reasons so it probably wasn't their ma or pa or uncle helping them over. Most of the poor sods are thousands of miles away from what was once their home or fleeing a rotten future existence or possibly ex-child soldiers.

One thing is for sure - they need help.

Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?

Again every one falling under the absurd lefty 'better life' umbrella for accepting migrants.

We all want a better life. People up north want to move to London for a better life. People come in legally from destitute parts of Europe but the fact that others have jumped on a lorry because France wasn't very welcoming is no indication that they left hellish conditions in their native country, not does it make it right.

Edited by johnfirewall (31 Jul 2015 1.49pm)


He evidently doesn't realise how absurd it sounds or he wouldn't have typed this absolute dross.
I tell you what, let's help the whole bloody world shall we? I'm going to give up my house, car, job, wife and kids so an immigrant family can have them all. Here's my wallet with all my bank details in, HELP YOURSELF! I'M BENDING OVER NOW WITH MY TROUSERS DOWN! HELP YOURSELF!! IT'S ALL YOUR'S!!

FFS get a grip will you? There's plenty of other places for them to go and they should be made to go there. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, NO MORE. SURELY SOMEBODY HAS SOME COMMON F**K**G sense.

Never underestimate the lack of common sense of the New Left.


It would be alright if it was just a lack of it, but the left have NO common sense what so ever. Under their rule we'd be sending out welcome boats for them, hell they've probably got the blueprints for a channel bridge so they can just walk across and help themselves.

 
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Quote Mr Palaceman at 31 Jul 2015 10.23am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 31 Jul 2015 7.40am

I am writing this having been up since 6 this morning working, I am also writing this having just paid a (what was for me) huge amount for my half yearly tax last night which I (or my family) cannot really afford. On that basis, excuse me if I do not sound too sympathetic towards these economic migrants who would all be entitled to free healthcare, education, benefits and housing, for which I would need to start work even earlier in the morning in order to be able to pay even more tax to make sure all their needs are met when I, a small business owner, an employer, get absolutely sweet FA in help from the government even though I work 7 days a week just to put bread on my kids table. Do people not understand – all these people come at a HUGE cost to us, the taxpayer.
Rant over. Have a good days peeps.

I have been watching this debate for a while and I agree with elements of both sides of the arguement but there are some myths that seem to get repeated time and time again and one of them is that everyone who comes here gets everything free. That just isn't true.

The truth is that migrants who come here put more in and take less out than the locals. They tend to work rather than claim benefits, so huge cost to the taxpayer I think not.

You can't have it both ways, hand-wringing lefists:

1. If they are asylum seekers from the war-torn oppressive French regime, then they CANNOT work for 5 years in the UK, and will be put up, fed and housed by Mr. Taxpayer.

2. If they are migrants coming to work, then they should apply for a work visa like EVERYWHERE else in the world*. If, as you claim, we are so in need of Eritrean restaurants in the UK that their presence will be a positive for the country (that is, not solely the economy, but in relation to society, service provision, security), then by all means grant them a work visa.

*Caveat: if you are part of the "white-countries" EU club, you can go and "settle" ("freedom of movement", as you need not "work" in the UK without anyone batting an eyelid. But that's not racist.

3. To your point regarding the wonderful amazing benefits of immigration, I refer you to (though doubt you will read) the findings of this report:

Press release:
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Report [pdf, look at Page 66 for the conclusions]:
[Link]

"If many of the immigrants fail to get jobs, or if they end up in low skill jobs or displace native workers, large-scale immigration will have a negative impact on GDP per capita and on government finances. Thus, the impact could be positive or negative but either way it is unlikely to be very large.

"The only thing that is certain is that immigration on the present scale, if it continues, will lead to much faster population growth and a much larger total GDP than would otherwise be the case, with consequent pressure on infrastructure and the environment."

Feel free to rubbish the findings of course: he's only a Professor of Economics at Cambridge.

 
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