This being one of the (albeit few) arguments in favour of having an Established church as part of the system. It's one small way of retaining the basic principles on which this country was built.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

There most certainly are. Which I have heard many times before in the various phases of my life from the same type of people in response to the changing world.

Moans and groans about why everything is wrong and used to be better. Doom mongering about everything except their myopic insistence that, despite the warnings from independent professionals, we have nothing to fear from a "no deal" Brexit.

Globalisation is a fact. It hasn't been deliberately brought about by some malign group of "elitists" planning in secret to threaten the lifestyles of people in the west. It is the natural evolution of the way our planet works, brought about by mobility, the internet, education and the opportunities it provides, together with shrinking birth rates in the west and greater longevity and, of course, the triumph of capitalism over socialism. It cannot be reversed. It can only be managed and it's benefits harvested.

Whilst it's globalisation which is the dominant motive force of immigration, the flow is not all one way. I lived for several years in the last 20 in SE Asia. How many of us have travelled much further than our parents even dreamed of doing, except to fight wars?

The world is ever changing and so must we. Some of us can, whilst some just moan.

The persistent suggestions to found in these threads of the UK, and a world, dominated by an Islamic take over is simply not real. The most authentic prediction I have read is that the maximum we can anticipate in the UK is a level of around 10% of us will hold Muslim beliefs by the year 2050 and that does not take into account what those people will be like by then, which won't be the same as now.

Groups always hold onto their own cultures, but alongside mainstream culture. I live in Cornwall where there is a strong local Cornish culture, not always very evident to casual visitors, but nonetheless very important to those born here. Those who move here, like me, tend to celebrate and enjoy that culture. We don't ridicule it so we are welcomed. Now I recognise the difference but there are still lessons to be learned. I once employed a Financial Director who was a Sikh. He could drink me under the table, enjoyed football and was completely immersed in British culture, arguing politics and sport all the time. However, when he got married it was a very traditional Sikh service, in a temple and lasted several hours. It was fun to attend too.

Our own history, as that of other European countries, of Empire and colonisation, has a major impact too and probably accounts for the difference between Europe and Asia in the way immigration has evolved. If you create a "mother country" you ought not be surprised when people seek her bosum.

The USA, the "land of the free" has been built on immigration but now it seems, according to Trump anyway, it's "full". (How many times have we heard that here too!) " I wonder if Trump has ever stood in front of the Statue of Liberty and read “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore." Probably not as he would have flown over the top in his helicopter on the way to one of his golf courses.

Our culture has evolved over the centuries. Medieval man would not have recognised the culture of the Elizabethans. The Elizabethans not that of the Victorians and the Victorians not ours. My Mum would not have known what a chicken tikka masala was but it is, apparently, now the most popular dish in the UK. Food for thought?

Here I read nothing but negatives without any kind of either positives, or suggestions on how to improve things. All I see are crude Trump like suggestions that we must "send them back" to sort out their "own" countries because they don't belong in "ours".

Maybe this herd like mentality brings you all comfort but it isn't going to tackle any of the undoubted problems that always accompany change.

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Evolutionary change brings challenges!

The question is not if those challenges exist but how we are going to meet them.

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Lions led by donkeys.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

If you think that we alone could make decisions which would have avoided globalisation then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Managing the changes is, to some limited degree, possible but only doing so with the benefit of hindsight is again living in cloud cuckoo land.

The evolution of political systems and the world economic system is an inevitability. Denying it is as foolish as denying climate change.

Of course not every change is for the better for everyone. That's why we need to try to manage it so we ameliorate the impact on those most badly affected. That's not just accepting the changes, it's recognising their inevitability, and overall benefits, whilst seeking to protect those negatively affected.

Our politicians are NOT puppets complicit in some scheme to ruin our country and culture, and certainly not for any short term advantages. They are trying to react to the fast changing conditions of a global economy in the best way they can. Thinking you can turn the clock back and recreate times now long gone is simply foolish. Us thinking that just because we are still a relatively large economy that we are better outside a major economic bloc like the EU is really daft thinking. We need to be on the inside leading it's direction, and not a spectator watching it.

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It's a good thing that we have published statistics because they can expose some of the lies.

Let's examine a few of them, in the light of recent claims made here.

Japan has, according to World Population Review, a GDP per capita of $41,834 placing it 21st on the list of the world's richest countries.

The UK has a GDP per capita, according to the same review, of $45,491 placing it 20th.

Thus the UK is richer.

The UK had an Empire, which has consequences.

Japan wanted an Empire but failed to achieve one. This also has consequences.

Anyone telling you this makes no difference is selling you bs.

I personally wouldn't trust confident predictions from bs salesmen.

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