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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Jun 17 9.02am | |
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
Seem to recall the same thing being said if we voted for brexit Just seen this.
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Ouzo Dan Behind you 08 Jun 17 9.08am | |
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 08 Jun 17 9.39am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Corbyn wins: business confidence collapses, private investment dries up, companies leave or just close down, stock market and pound plummet, mass unemployment, riots on the streets, rise of fascist junta, Poland invaded, EU cannot agree on response, Putin declares war, USA/Russia/UK/France/North Korea/China/Israel/India/pakistan nuclear exchanges. Pitcairn Islands inherit the earth. Think before you vote! At last. The Voice of Reason. You forgot Australia win Eurovision.
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Mstrobez 08 Jun 17 9.46am | |
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Originally posted by PaddyMcPaddy
You can't use "we had the biggest period of uninterrupted growth" in the same paragraph as the crash. That was one of the reasons for the crash, unstable growth that didn't really exist. Neither party are particularly appealing and I don't trust either. I just couldn't put my faith in Corbyn at all. So you honestly believe had the tories been in office they would've stopped the global financial crisis? Seriously? If it was Cameron instead of Tory-lite Blair we would've avoided the crash. Rubbish. And that's fair enough, I just ask people what the basis is for not trust Corbyn and trusting May more and usually it's just recycled BS that's existed for a long time and been debunked consistently. It's desperate and cringeworthy imo, this election has never seemed to consist of any hardcore facts, just scaremongering and "if you don't vote for us you are f***ed and have the mental capacity of a 4 year old". At least Corbyn doesn't resort to that and stays consistent with his message. The tories in this GE have been like a re run of the EU referendum.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Jun 17 9.48am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Growth? If Corbyn wins, business confidence will collapse, private investment dry up, companies will leave or just close down. Stock market and pound will plummet. So what you're saying is that democracy and society is secondary to the interests of business and their will. Here in lies the problem of 'free market economics' we end up in a situation where people are saying 'don't vote for someone, because it could upset a elite interest, who we've capitulated far to much social power to through deregulation from social obligations.
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Mstrobez 08 Jun 17 9.49am | |
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How is it the voice of reason when as always it doesn't explain WHY. The business argument has to be the most central argument to our economy yet not one Tory anywhere has explained with any real credibility the basis on which our economy will crash under the policies in labours manifesto. I find it outrageous that you can scrutinise a set of costings to the extent they have been scrutinised whilst the opposition simultaneously refuses to release anything. When these arguments get put forth it's usually the moment the media and tories start bringing up the IRA/shooting to kill/hitting the red button.
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Mstrobez 08 Jun 17 9.51am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So what you're saying is that democracy and society is secondary to the interests of business and their will. Here in lies the problem of 'free market economics' we end up in a situation where people are saying 'don't vote for someone, because it could upset a elite interest, who we've capitulated far to much social power to through deregulation from social obligations. And I'll stress again and again and again. Nothing Corbyn has pledged is an attack on wealthy people. If any Tory voters could actually be arsed to read his proposals they might understand that but the only way to win the argument is by being hysterical instead of reasonably assessing what Corbyn is bringing to the table.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Jun 17 9.54am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So what you're saying is that democracy and society is secondary to the interests of business and their will. Here in lies the problem of 'free market economics' we end up in a situation where people are saying 'don't vote for someone, because it could upset a elite interest, who we've capitulated far to much social power to through deregulation from social obligations. No, what I am saying is that the capitalist system is the best we can hope for in this imperfect world to ensure economic progress and material well-being and freedom.
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 08 Jun 17 10.03am | |
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Whoever wins this election is buggered for the one after, as being in charge of the Brexitt negotiations, coinciding with a period in which the next global slowdown and recession will arrive, will be a bit like getting the Manchester United job after Fergie left. Still, at least the UK will be out of Europe by the time said global slowdown and recession means that the Eurosceptic opposition now in place across Europe will come to power in their next round of elections in 5 years' time.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Jun 17 10.16am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So what you're saying is that democracy and society is secondary to the interests of business and their will. Here in lies the problem of 'free market economics' we end up in a situation where people are saying 'don't vote for someone, because it could upset a elite interest, who we've capitulated far to much social power to through deregulation from social obligations. As in all elections it depends on how it's going to affect the pockets of voters in the marginals. People will no doubt see Corbyn puts their mortgage repayments at risk more than May. Youngsters don't have mortgages and for Corbyn to have any success he needs a near 100% young people turn out, but because they don't have the responsibilities of home owners or home keepers they won't turn out to vote. I actually wouldn't mind seeing what Corbyn can do as long as he goes asap once disaster begins. Looking at the hundreds of Blairites behind their front bench it wouldn't take long. Problem is we have Brexit and Corbyn would get rolled over. Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Jun 2017 10.19am)
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Mstrobez 08 Jun 17 10.24am | |
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Originally posted by mezzer
Whoever wins this election is buggered for the one after, as being in charge of the Brexitt negotiations, coinciding with a period in which the next global slowdown and recession will arrive, will be a bit like getting the Manchester United job after Fergie left. Still, at least the UK will be out of Europe by the time said global slowdown and recession means that the Eurosceptic opposition now in place across Europe will come to power in their next round of elections in 5 years' time. I agree. I think labour will inevitably win the next general election. If Corbyn wins more seats than Milliband I wouldn't be surprised if he stays on.
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Mstrobez 08 Jun 17 10.28am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
As in all elections it depends on how it's going to affect the pockets of voters in the marginals. People will no doubt see Corbyn puts their mortgage repayments at risk more than May. Youngsters don't have mortgages and for Corbyn to have any success he needs a near 100% young people turn out, but because they don't have the responsibilities of home owners or home keepers they won't turn out to vote. I actually wouldn't mind seeing what Corbyn can do as long as he goes asap once disaster begins. Looking at the hundreds of Blairites behind their front bench it wouldn't take long. Problem is we have Brexit and Corbyn would get rolled over. Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Jun 2017 10.19am) Herein lies the main problem for Corbyn, sadly they love to talk a good game on twitter but a large number of them won't actually bother to turn out. I was reading an article the other day saying they he would have to rely on the young and weirdly the top 1% to win. The problems they stated was the no show of young voters and also a lot of very wealthy people saying they'd vote Corbyn to look fashionable and compassionate etc.
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