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Mstrobez Flag 08 Jun 17 7.30am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Before you vote today I urge you to read this. It's short and am easy read.

[Link]

This is from a Nobel laureate who is an expert in both micro economics and economics of globalisation and has done a lot of work in investigating the economics of inequality.

I will never understand why the idea of investing to grow is such a hard concept for the far right to understand, especially when the last labour government saw the longest period of uninterrupted growth in British history until Iraq and the crash. One thing that seems clear to me is the simple fact that austerity doesn't work.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 08 Jun 17 7.50am

Originally posted by jeeagles

IF Labour had a different leader they would be winning this election by a landslide. The current government is terrible, yet they are still going to take a hammering. Somehow Corbyn supporters are trying to spin it by saying "they got socialism back on the agenda" or "they've marginally changed the colossal gap in the polls". Ultimately, we've left the EU and the Tories are going to get 5 more years... All under Corbyn's watch.

I agree with most of this. Labour under a less extreme leadership would win - but only with a small majority, not a landslide.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 08 Jun 17 7.52am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

I will never understand why the idea of investing to grow is such a hard concept for the far right to understand, especially when the last labour government saw the longest period of uninterrupted growth in British history until Iraq and the crash. One thing that seems clear to me is the simple fact that austerity doesn't work.

Growth? If Corbyn wins, business confidence will collapse, private investment dry up, companies will leave or just close down. Stock market and pound will plummet.

 


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Mstrobez Flag 08 Jun 17 7.57am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Growth? If Corbyn wins, business confidence will collapse, private investment dry up, companies will leave or just close down. Stock market and pound will plummet.

And I've explained in detail in a previous post why that is nothing more than scaremongering nonsense. Bring some facts to the table instead of just desperately spouting what the daily mail and Sun told you.

 


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Harry Beever Flag Newbury 08 Jun 17 7.59am Send a Private Message to Harry Beever Add Harry Beever as a friend


With Trump and Brexit as unlikely as it is I wouldn't rule out a curve ball!! Have a funny feeling about this one.

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Yeah I think the hysteria seen in every general election is quite embarrassing. I am of the opinion we have 2 genuinely very different prospects for the first time in a while though. Whilst I don't see May as the leader of the "evil Tory crooks", I do think she's shown real indifference and a lack of urgency with regards to issues in the country, more than anything I think it's just a case of ignorance. She also has appeared to be completely disinterested with this whole campaign and I think the electorate wanting answers beyond brexit negotiations has caught her massively off guard, exposing many frailties in the process. My reasoning behind voting for Corbyn is the implementation of some form of change as I fear at the moment we are abandoning many of our core values for the sake of not very much. The effect of 7 years austerity on communities and public services isn't to be understated and I fear for the prospects of many if this continues for another 5 years. RE him appearing charismatic, Farage is a very charismatic guy too hence his ability to gain a following so as you said I'm not sure if that really means anything, what's consistently impressed me about Corbyn is that he comes across as genuine above anything else and has stood by his policies regardless of the onslaught he's received by the mainstream press and also the tories. I think anyone given the media coverage he's received over the past 7 or so weeks would've been dead and buried now and I think the staunchest Tory would find it hard to argue he hasn't shown resilience. Regardless, I cannot see the possibility of even a hung parliament which is a shame, I think had this election been in 2020 the ending of the story may well have been very different!

 

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Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 08 Jun 17 8.12am Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Growth? If Corbyn wins, business confidence will collapse, private investment dry up, companies will leave or just close down. Stock market and pound will plummet.

Seem to recall the same thing being said if we voted for brexit

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 08 Jun 17 8.18am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

And I've explained in detail in a previous post why that is nothing more than scaremongering nonsense. Bring some facts to the table instead of just desperately spouting what the daily mail and Sun told you.

I don't read the Daily Mail or the Sun. The only publication with political content that I subscribe to is the Spectator, which appears weekly and I can highly recommend.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 08 Jun 17 8.19am

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

Seem to recall the same thing being said if we voted for brexit

You just need to look back at all the past efforts of such socialist programs here and around the world - all failures.

 


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PaddyMcPaddy Flag 08 Jun 17 8.20am Send a Private Message to PaddyMcPaddy Add PaddyMcPaddy as a friend

You can't use "we had the biggest period of uninterrupted growth" in the same paragraph as the crash. That was one of the reasons for the crash, unstable growth that didn't really exist.

Neither party are particularly appealing and I don't trust either. I just couldn't put my faith in Corbyn at all.


Originally posted by Mstrobez

I will never understand why the idea of investing to grow is such a hard concept for the far right to understand, especially when the last labour government saw the longest period of uninterrupted growth in British history until Iraq and the crash. One thing that seems clear to me is the simple fact that austerity doesn't work.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 08 Jun 17 8.34am

Corbyn wins: business confidence collapses, private investment dries up, companies leave or just close down, stock market and pound plummet, mass unemployment, riots on the streets, rise of fascist junta, Poland invaded, EU cannot agree on response, Putin declares war, USA/Russia/UK/France/North Korea/China/Israel/India/pakistan nuclear exchanges. Pitcairn Islands inherit the earth. Think before you vote!

 


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Hansy Flag 08 Jun 17 8.39am Send a Private Message to Hansy Add Hansy as a friend

Blue tie on today. Good luck to everyone, if you're not sure which way to vote take some time to research. But just make sure you vote, this is a day about democracy.

Signing off for today, let the games begin.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 08 Jun 17 8.59am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Corbyn wins: business confidence collapses, private investment dries up, companies leave or just close down, stock market and pound plummet, mass unemployment, riots on the streets, rise of fascist junta, Poland invaded, EU cannot agree on response, Putin declares war, USA/Russia/UK/France/North Korea/China/Israel/India/pakistan nuclear exchanges. Pitcairn Islands inherit the earth. Think before you vote!

Sounds like what Cameron said would happen the morning after if we voted to leave the EU.

 


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