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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Dec 22 10.40pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Do you believe everything that Tucker Carlson tells you?

Even when is it completely obviously propaganda designed to keep the gullible Trump base onside and their eyes off the ball when their man is being primed for skewering from several directions?

Maybe you only read this kind of propaganda so aren't aware of the circle gradually closing and the exits being blocked off. That wouldn't surprise me.

Twitter didn't "subvert" anything. They are a private business. They can publish whatever they wish so long as it's legal and not publish everything. That's not subversion. It's choice. That the FBI sounded warnings about another possible pre-election dump of misinformation by Russia to all the social media companies means they had good reason to be cautious. That's not subversion. It's being responsible.

So there was neither subversion, nor censorship nor collusion. There was responsible behaviour by all involved. The FBI doing their duty and Twitter being careful.

I would expect no less of them who-ever was involved.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 09 Dec 22 7.58am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

So per WE a private company cannot subvert anything.

OK.........that's NONSENSE, please check the definition of subvert.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 22 8.20am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

So per WE a private company cannot subvert anything.

OK.........that's NONSENSE, please check the definition of subvert.

They could assist others, but it's extremely unlikely they could manage it on their own!

I didn't though, say they could not. I said they didn't. They chose not to publish, which was entirely their decision. How much influence the warnings of US intelligence played in their decision-making is unclear, but it doesn't appear to have been the predominant one. For them to have been participating in an attempt at subversion, you also have to believe that US intelligence was leading it.

People like Tucker Carlson and other conspiracy theorists might want you to believe such things, but I don't.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 09 Dec 22 8.21am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

More from the Twitter papers

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 22 10.33am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

More from the Twitter papers

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What utter hypocrisy from the Mail!

Twitter are no less a private business than they are. The Mail constantly makes political judgements over which stories to cover, how they are presented, and who are to be regarded as heroes, and who as villains.

Twitter deciding not to promote those seen as conspiracy theorists, or promulgators of dangerous misinformation, is not only their right, it is, in my opinion, a public duty. Applying responsible moderation to content is also commercially wise, as I suspect Musk will discover. Advertisers don't want to use platforms that can damage their image.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Dec 22 12.12pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What utter hypocrisy from the Mail!

Twitter are no less a private business than they are. The Mail constantly makes political judgements over which stories to cover, how they are presented, and who are to be regarded as heroes, and who as villains.

Twitter deciding not to promote those seen as conspiracy theorists, or promulgators of dangerous misinformation, is not only their right, it is, in my opinion, a public duty. Applying responsible moderation to content is also commercially wise, as I suspect Musk will discover. Advertisers don't want to use platforms that can damage their image.

Twitter had denied doing it, however, The Mail obviously does it or would lose its readership. Twitter was supposedly unbiased - which quite simply was a complete falsehood. I don't think the Mail pretends to be unbiased - if it did it would be quite humourous.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 09 Dec 22 12.30pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Mmmmm...not sure I know of any private companies receiving state funding when they start as the social media sector did? Do private companies get to lobby and gain changes in the law to ensure they can't be sued as publishers?

Private companies that are so enmeshed with governments kind of lose the 'private' element behind that concept.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Dec 2022 12.31pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 22 4.45pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mmmmm...not sure I know of any private companies receiving state funding when they start as the social media sector did? Do private companies get to lobby and gain changes in the law to ensure they can't be sued as publishers?

Private companies that are so enmeshed with governments kind of lose the 'private' element behind that concept.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Dec 2022 12.31pm)

In what way do you believe state funding has been provided to social media companies? They sometimes advertise, but that's all I can see. Lobbying isn't restricted to the social media sector. All industries will keep legislators aware of issues that impact them and argue for changes, but it's the legislators who ultimately decide what is in the public interest.

None of the social media companies are "enmeshed" with governments. That's just a popular right wing myth.

What is government for? Conspiracy theorists seem to believe it exists to ensure they, and other "elites" control the rest of us to secure the lion's share of our wealth. I don't. I believe they exist to do those things which are better done collectively than independently. We choose who they are, then delegate the decision-making to them. Inevitably that requires we all must make individual compromises.

One of the things governments do better than individuals is security and intelligence gathering. Individuals just don't possess the resources. Social media businesses are served by governments just as much as other members of society are. If government advises of a concern, then they must decide how to respond. In the UK media outlets aren't obliged to act unless a D notice is served, which is rare, and I am not even sure if they apply to the social media. They decide against their own criteria. Some don't moderate at all, so the wildest of stories get circulated. Others exercise more caution and responsibility.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 22 5.10pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Twitter had denied doing it, however, The Mail obviously does it or would lose its readership. Twitter was supposedly unbiased - which quite simply was a complete falsehood. I don't think the Mail pretends to be unbiased - if it did it would be quite humourous.

I think you are confusing being unmoderated with being unbiased.

Twitter has always been moderated and, if it can be considered biased, it is only biased against disinformation or comments that could lead to harm or illegal acts.

I haven't followed the story closely enough to know if they denied it. What I have heard is that there was some confusion and internal disagreements. No so unusual in big organisations.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 09 Dec 22 5.57pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

In what way do you believe state funding has been provided to social media companies?

I literally said it in my last post. They received help both legal and financial when they started up.

As for the rest of that rubbish I just can't be bothered responding to nonsense.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Dec 2022 5.58pm)

 


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Matov Flag 09 Dec 22 6.44pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Sums up so much.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Stirlingsays Flag 09 Dec 22 6.50pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

A good speech on elite theory was given here and much in the parallels at Twitter can be seen, whether it's before Musk or after.

This is how power works.


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