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Matov 20 Jun 21 9.56pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Don't hold your breath that any grooming gang victims will get justice. This is going to be about after hours beered up rufees rapes. Problem for the legal system is in most rape accusations both parties have a history with each other and often it will boil down to a case of he said/she said, especially if a crime is not reported immediately. Which in our court system, makes it bloody difficult to actually gain a conviction, especially if there is no physical evidence in terms of DNA and/or bruising. And given what I believe is the CPS requirement of at least a 55% chance of success, meaning that cases hinging on two people contradicting each other will often not meet that requirement. ( as an aside does anybody know if previous convictions allowed to be bought up in rape case?) The reality is that for a QC defending a man accused of rape then they have a duty of care to test the states case to the limit and often, if they can sow a seed of doubt, then it's enough for a not-guilty. Its a crime of such complexity that just shouting about the lack of successful prosecutions has to often be seen as political grandstanding. The only way to secure more convictions is to effectively lower the requirements for a guilty verdict, with more credence being given to a victims account than that of a defendant. Which I am not sure would stand up to any kind of appeal process, even if anybody thought that a good idea.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Jun 21 11.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Problem for the legal system is in most rape accusations both parties have a history with each other and often it will boil down to a case of he said/she said, especially if a crime is not reported immediately. Which in our court system, makes it bloody difficult to actually gain a conviction, especially if there is no physical evidence in terms of DNA and/or bruising. And given what I believe is the CPS requirement of at least a 55% chance of success, meaning that cases hinging on two people contradicting each other will often not meet that requirement. ( as an aside does anybody know if previous convictions allowed to be bought up in rape case?) The reality is that for a QC defending a man accused of rape then they have a duty of care to test the states case to the limit and often, if they can sow a seed of doubt, then it's enough for a not-guilty. Its a crime of such complexity that just shouting about the lack of successful prosecutions has to often be seen as political grandstanding. The only way to secure more convictions is to effectively lower the requirements for a guilty verdict, with more credence being given to a victims account than that of a defendant. Which I am not sure would stand up to any kind of appeal process, even if anybody thought that a good idea. Simplest way around this is to hope we find a UK Bernard Goetz.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 22 Jun 21 12.20am | |
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How would that change the rape conviction rate? Originally posted by Jimenez
Simplest way around this is to hope we find a UK Bernard Goetz.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 22 Jun 21 12.23am | |
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It would do away with costly trial by juries for starters!!
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Stirlingsays 22 Jun 21 12.34am | |
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There's a groundswell of 'progressive' thought in this country that would love rape and other convictions to be based upon little more than accusation. Until it's them personally of course. hashtag-believe all women....unless the finger gets pointed at them, which they never think will happen....then suddenly the nuance and other side matters.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 22 Jun 21 12.47am | |
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OK, good talk Originally posted by Jimenez
It would do away with costly trial by juries for starters!!
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Stirlingsays 22 Jun 21 12.52am | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Simplest way around this is to hope we find a UK Bernard Goetz. This problem is as old as the hills. It used to be dealt with using chaperones and the males in families looking out for their females. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jun 2021 12.54am)
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HKOwen Hong Kong 22 Jun 21 7.43am | |
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Am just unable to see the connection between the very difficult issue of rape and a subway shooting in New York.
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DanH SW2 22 Jul 21 2.43pm | |
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Oh dear. [Tweet Link]
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Matov 22 Jul 21 3.10pm | |
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Thought you might be happy. Still, if a guilty verdict is arrived at by a jury then who are we to question that? That is the way the system works in this country.
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DanH SW2 22 Jul 21 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Thought you might be happy. Still, if a guilty verdict is arrived at by a jury then who are we to question that? That is the way the system works in this country. If you think that Tommy Robinson having to hand over a six figure sum to a Syrian schoolboy for telling lies makes me happy then you are absolutely correct.
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steeleye20 Croydon 22 Jul 21 3.37pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
If you think that Tommy Robinson having to hand over a six figure sum to a Syrian schoolboy for telling lies makes me happy then you are absolutely correct. Obviously his HOL fan club will wish to make a financial donation..........
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