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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jul 16 4.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
To the contrary. My mother is a very practiced and accomplished debater, including at national conference and at the Sunday lunch table. It isn't nasty to say I believe my daughter generally wins their debates. It simply shows that age does not automatically indicate you are more thought through. The idea that 17 year olds shouldn't vote as they don't know what they are talking about does not hold any water with me. Why on Earth would you think I am being nasty about my own mother? Your daughter might be the reincarnation of Nietzsche but being intelligent, well educated or opinionated does not mean you are wise or have the benefit of experience. I'd raise the voting age to 25.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jul 16 4.44pm | |
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Originally posted by susmik
We have loads of school leavers out of work so use them !! As long as they're paid a fair wage, and have their travel and accommodation provided.
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Part Time James 05 Jul 16 4.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
But free when you receive a state pension, it might pop a few off and save a few quid. Also, they probably won't need any other medication when they are as high as a kite so it'll ultimately save the NHS a fortune. And it'll be less distressing for the grandkids. "Mum, Nan can't remember my name any more"
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 05 Jul 16 4.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
To the contrary. My mother is a very practiced and accomplished debater, including at national conference and at the Sunday lunch table. It isn't nasty to say I believe my daughter generally wins their debates. It simply shows that age does not automatically indicate you are more thought through. The idea that 17 year olds shouldn't vote as they don't know what they are talking about does not hold any water with me. Why on Earth would you think I am being nasty about my own mother? Did you not notice I wrote that she is a political activist of some standing? Edited by Mapletree (05 Jul 2016 4.35pm) Because you are making out that your 16 year old daughter is brain of Britain and your mother came second. I do not think for one minute that your daughter is as clever as you make out and I tend to think that the young ones have no common dog fat or to put it in their terms "common sense" as their minds have not matured enough as we all know ourselves by our children and grand children. I still think you did your mother a wrong!
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jul 16 4.50pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Individuals, families or companies? Individuals. Of course the make up of Parliament would be different in my future Britain. Religious clap trap would be on my radar.
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 05 Jul 16 4.50pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
As long as they're paid a fair wage, and have their travel and accommodation provided. Its not the wages and accommodation Jamie its the getting them off their fat behinds that will be the biggest problem LOL
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Part Time James 05 Jul 16 4.53pm | |
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I voted for a specific party until the age of about 25 purely because my parents voted that way and I was naive enough to take their word as Gospel. Now, I am prepared to admit that I have always been a bit behind my peers in terms of maturity so 25 is an extreme case. However, when I actually started to look at politics in more depth for myself, my stance changed a lot and I tend to find I associate very little with the party I used to feel so strongly in favour of. I appreciate that over the course of anyone's lifetime their opinions shift and people often say folks tend to slide towards the right as they get older. However, I can categorically say that until the age of 25 for me (as I say, I do appreciate it could be a bit younger for others) I wasn't attempting to make an informed decision on how I would vote because I trusted my parents to be right without questioning it. Edited by Part Time James (05 Jul 2016 4.57pm)
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Jul 16 4.53pm | |
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Originally posted by susmik
They are too tied up on their facebook pages and mobile phones. Have you noticed that when they do come on the fan sites they post a lot of cr@p and expect far too much from their teams. Just look at the BBS for a start. How would you know who's a young poster on here (or BBS) and who isn't?
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Jul 16 4.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Your daughter might be the reincarnation of Nietzsche but being intelligent, well educated or opinionated does not mean you are wise or have the benefit of experience. I'd raise the voting age to 25. Hmmm, the post-referendum conversation I had with the post-grad who actually graduated with a reputable class of degree, although in a practical subject, virtually just kept saying "I know I'm right, I know I'm right. No I'm not listening" and pretty much put her hands over her ears and tried to walk away. Apparently that's how grads debate. If you don't agree, get out or agree. On 'Divided Nation' last night on Sky News they found some odd balls from smaller towns who voted leave and then some educated people who voted remain, including 6 Cambridge students. Hardly balanced. The media need to be more responsible on this. At least in the studio after 30 mins of this manipulated tour of Britain there were educated and multi-racial people who voted leave, and they weren't leavers who want out to get their relatives in, they think Britain should have sovereignty, starting with immigration, because it's ridiculous we haven't. Edited by Rudi Hedman (05 Jul 2016 4.58pm)
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Jul 16 4.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Your daughter might be the reincarnation of Nietzsche but being intelligent, well educated or opinionated does not mean you are wise or have the benefit of experience. I'd raise the voting age to 25. Hrolf, I raised this point with Rudi yesterday - you very loudly objected to any stereotyping of Brexiters on this board throughout the referendum. Why do you see fit to stereotype a different group of society in exactly the same manner?
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jul 16 4.59pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
How would you know who's a young poster on here (or BBS) and who isn't? You can show age on the BBS but you can normally tell anyway. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jul 2016 4.59pm)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jul 16 5.02pm | |
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History is created by the young, who then grow up and bitch about how s**t the youth of today are, and how much better we were at being young. To paraphrase Cicero.
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