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 Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 01 Aug 24 6.56am |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
2 Tier policing. a. crucifying some people for not much of a crime.
Not so much 2 tier, as this protest illustrates extremely well the political influences on policing strategies. "deviated from the agreed format of protesting" ??? I have great sympathy for the police, they do a tough job, but they are being used as political tools.
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Spiderman  Horsham 01 Aug 24 7.11am |
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Originally posted by becky
In respect of b. not so much couldn't be bothered as too short, too fat and too unfit to even try - not forgetting all the bells and whistles they have hanging off them these days. Would those be the bells and whistles in the pride flag colours?
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| Spiderman Horsham 01 Aug 24 7.15am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Still not one word of condemnation here of the disgusting mob behaviour in Southport yesterday. Behaviour that was doubtless fuelled by the scourge of social media misinformation. It is a really serious problem these days which is infecting every internet based communication channel. This one included! Is it not amazing that there are more posts in this thread trying to insult me than there are condemning beered up thugs, causing distress to a grieving community? The idea that the families of the victims were participating is disgraceful. The only one I heard speak about it was scathing and the reaction of the community has been exemplary. The idea that this was not done by the far right, appears unlikely to be true. It is widely reported that the “English Defence League” were responsible and could now be banned. The police have intelligence which supports that. And the Leeds riots? Which involved safety of children, how was that policed? Watch the videos, totally different approach. I have not seen any woman on a pro Gaza march be pushed several times by a Police Office, happened last night. Not condoning the violence, it is heartbreaking but the 2 tier policing is there for everyone to see, if you wish to look for it [Tweet Link]
Which one was more serious and caused most damage? Edited by Spiderman (01 Aug 2024 8.10am) Edited by Spiderman (01 Aug 2024 8.12am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 01 Aug 24 8.14am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I agree with this. Whatever the real reason for the Southport stabbing the public has had enough. If sensible politicians cannot make sensible policies then eventually people will turn to violence. I don't think violence is ever acceptable but what do you expect when the elite ride roughshod over the public. So far all we have heard from the government is the usual "far right" extremists, we must clamp down on them and social media. Remember the Brixton rights? and plenty of others those same politicians were excusing the rioters and talking about social deprivation, institutional racism, lack of hope for young people we need to engage with the community etc.
I just hope the government listens to the anger of the people but I doubt it, the Tories didn't either.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 24 8.15am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
And the Leeds riots? Which involved safety of children, how was that policed? Watch the videos, totally different approach. I have not seen any woman on a pro Gaza march be pushed several times by a Police Office, happened last night. Not condoning the violence, it is heartbreaking but the 2 tier policing is there for everyone to see, if you wish to look for it The suggestion that there is “2 tier” policing feels like an excuse to me. How the police commanders respond to any disturbance must be a balanced judgement depending on the risks involved and the resources available. If I understand correctly the disturbances in Leeds involved a Roma community and followed an intervention by social services who were concerned about the safety of children. So it was a local issue that escalated and got out of control. It wasn’t caused by a bunch of people, from outside the area, full of alcohol and determined to cause trouble because of their reliance on social media. I have no police experience but it would not surprise me if the approach to policing different groups, one fuelled by alcohol and prejudice, and the other by community solidarity, would be different. That’s not “2 tier”. It’s judgement.
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 01 Aug 24 8.18am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The suggestion that there is “2 tier” policing feels like an excuse to me. How the police commanders respond to any disturbance must be a balanced judgement depending on the risks involved and the resources available. If I understand correctly the disturbances in Leeds involved a Roma community and followed an intervention by social services who were concerned about the safety of children. So it was a local issue that escalated and got out of control. It wasn’t caused by a bunch of people, from outside the area, full of alcohol and determined to cause trouble because of their reliance on social media. I have no police experience but it would not surprise me if the approach to policing different groups, one fuelled by alcohol and prejudice, and the other by community solidarity, would be different. That’s not “2 tier”. It’s judgement. AI
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 24 8.24am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The EDL haven’t existed for over 10 years. The people involved were from Merseyside, greater Manchester and actually Southport. It’s what has been widely reported and this definitely exists:- Whether there was anyone actually from Southport involved is unknown but the community as a whole has condemned it, said it doesn’t reflect them and asked they be left in peace.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 24 8.25am |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
AI You flatter me! But no, it’s not!
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 01 Aug 24 8.31am |
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Maybe just ‘A’, no ‘I’…
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| YT Oxford 01 Aug 24 8.35am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It’s what has been widely reported and this definitely exists:- Whether there was anyone actually from Southport involved is unknown but the community as a whole has condemned it, said it doesn’t reflect them and asked they be left in peace. Incorrect. On a BBC radio 5 phone-in yesterday a contributor, whose child had been at the dance class that was attacked, said he witnessed the trouble and confirmed that Southport people were involved, alongside people who he assumed were from elsewhere. When pushed by the presenter, but urged not to give names, he said he knew some of those involved well and they were local people who lived in the streets around where he lived.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 24 8.46am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I agree with this. Whatever the real reason for the Southport stabbing the public has had enough. If sensible politicians cannot make sensible policies then eventually people will turn to violence. I don't think violence is ever acceptable but what do you expect when the elite ride roughshod over the public. So far all we have heard from the government is the usual "far right" extremists, we must clamp down on them and social media. Remember the Brixton rights? and plenty of others those same politicians were excusing the rioters and talking about social deprivation, institutional racism, lack of hope for young people we need to engage with the community etc.
I just hope the government listens to the anger of the people but I doubt it, the Tories didn't either.
Being angry about what? Being upset and heartbroken about the loss of innocent life in an attack which makes no sense to anyone is natural. I feel that as strongly as everyone. Allowing those affected to grieve whilst providing them with as much support as possible is the only things they need. Displaying anger towards politicians, the police or the legal system because of a perception that they have failed in some way to provide sufficient protection helps no one. Allowing that anger to become violent, especially where the community is already in pain, is mindless thuggery. Excusing it is to encourage it. So these riots should, in my opinion, be unequivocally condemned out of hand and given no sympathy of any kind. They achieve nothing, take up police resources and make things worse. How we start to get control over knife crime is a much bigger problem than one incident, no matter how horrific. I don’t see easy solutions and haven’t heard any really practical suggestions.
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 01 Aug 24 8.49am |
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