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 EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 30 Jul 24 10.41am |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
So they say - totally unproven. Beyond parody
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 30 Jul 24 10.54am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Completely agree with this - there's a valid discussion around where the cut-off is, but it certainly should be means tested. 1 in 4 pensioners is a millionaire, and they are on average the wealthiest demographic in the country - the fact we spend so much on an untested benefit for them doesn't make any sense at all. let me introduce myself as one of the '3'...
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| Eden Eagle Kent 30 Jul 24 10.55am |
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When this Labour Government talks about a £20 billion “blackhole” in the funding and then consequently cuts winter fuel support for pensioners (those not in receipt of pension credit) please remember that the previous Government wasted over £400 billion on Covid measures/support. Many of us on here pointed out the consequences of the lunacy of the Covid spending and it is now very clear that this madness of paying people to sit at home for 2 years, shutting down our economy and locking down the population will continue to have a massive financial impact for many generations to come.
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| The Dolphin 30 Jul 24 11.01am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
No, many of the other 3 million pensioners live on their state pension only. They will not qualify for pension credit it is set higher. So they lose the fuel allowance altogether, the people who most need it.
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| The Dolphin 30 Jul 24 11.03am |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
When this Labour Government talks about a £20 billion “blackhole” in the funding and then consequently cuts winter fuel support for pensioners (those not in receipt of pension credit) please remember that the previous Government wasted over £400 billion on Covid measures/support. Many of us on here pointed out the consequences of the lunacy of the Covid spending and it is now very clear that this madness of paying people to sit at home for 2 years, shutting down our economy and locking down the population will continue to have a massive financial impact for many generations to come. I agree in hindsight but do remember that Labour backed those measures wholeheartedly and wanted even more lock downs and more help doled out.
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| Eden Eagle Kent 30 Jul 24 11.58am |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I agree in hindsight but do remember that Labour backed those measures wholeheartedly and wanted even more lock downs and more help doled out. Agreed - both as bad as each other!
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 Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jul 24 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Well yes, the explosion in house prices is exactly what's made this generation so wealthy (on average) - that's not remotely an argument in favour of maintaining benefits for them. I find these lines about rewarding/punishing very silly - we have a progressive tax system; by definition it's going to 'reward failure' and 'penalise achievement' - unless you think we should start taxing low earners more? I pay a large tax bill every year because I earn a good salary; not for a second do I view that as being punished or penalised. Equally, if I lost my job and started paying less tax, I would certainly not feel rewarded. Various government have been banging on about preparing for retirement to avoid old age poverty. It doesn't exactly encourage long term planning does it. Taxation has to make achieving worth it. It is a balancing act. Let's be completely honest, if that not too hard for you. Our glorious new chancellor is penalising people who don't vote for her and her s***ty party.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 30 Jul 24 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Various government have been banging on about preparing for retirement to avoid old age poverty. It doesn't exactly encourage long term planning does it. Taxation has to make achieving worth it. It is a balancing act. Let's be completely honest, if that not too hard for you. Our glorious new chancellor is penalising people who don't vote for her and her s***ty party. Surely someone's preparedness is not dependent on an extra £5 a week from the government? You were going on recently about benefit claimants having smart phones and getting takeaways too much - obviously such scrutiny doesn't apply to pensioners.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jul 24 1.39pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Surely someone's preparedness is not dependent on an extra £5 a week from the government? You were going on recently about benefit claimants having smart phones and getting takeaways too much - obviously such scrutiny doesn't apply to pensioners.
Responsibility should be rewarded, or at least left alone. Buying takeaways while claiming poverty is in the same category as not making any preparation for retirement and then expecting the government to effectively rob others to bail you out. I accept that some can't afford to save for pensions, but that is because they have been less successful. That is not a judgement. It is facing the reality of a capitalistic society.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 30 Jul 24 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Responsibility should be rewarded, or at least left alone. Buying takeaways while claiming poverty is in the same category as not making any preparation for retirement and then expecting the government to effectively rob others to bail you out. I accept that some can't afford to save for pensions, but that is because they have been less successful. That is not a judgement. It is facing the reality of a capitalistic society. We'll make a socialist out of you yet.
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| georgenorman 30 Jul 24 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
We'll make a socialist out of you yet. Simply taking money from those that have more of it and giving it to those that have less would not improve things at all. This has been attempted by the various communist regimes in the past with predictable catastrophic results.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jul 24 2.12pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
We'll make a socialist out of you yet. Wealth is not shared more evenly but taking money from people who have 2% of the pie and giving it to those who have 1%. It would only work if those that had the other 97% of the pie had just say 80% instead. The 97%, to put a figure on it, being owned by just 2% of the population. What Labour do is the former.
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