You seem incapable of arguing your point without taking digs at people - it generally points to someone who knows they are making very weak points of their own, as you are here.

There is nothing defensive about what is now happening - you can pursue a military campaign without knowingly killing thousands of civilians and withholding food and water to densely populated civilian areas - there are well established international laws governing exactly this type of situation, and even in times of war, nations do not and should not have a blank slate to decide what revenge they think is appropriate.

As with most crimes today, one side has to play by the rules, the other side doesn’t. I would like an explanation as to how one pursues a military campaign against an enemy that hides within an innocent population. This isn’t Northern Ireland, which while difficult to control during The Troubles, seems like a piece of cake compared with this scenario.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

This just demonstrates what we already know about scumbag politicians.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Oct 2023 12.29pm)

If you readily take either sides claims at face value then you're clearly coming from a place of bias.

It is worth noting that an Israeli rocket hit the same hospital a few days ago. Although it matters for the current debate on this thread, in some ways who did it is irrelevant.

Both sides have targeted civilian buildings now and in the past. No side can claim the upper hand, morally or otherwise.

Hamas have decided to slaughter (and worse) innocent civilians and fire rockets at civilian buildings.

Israel have decided to fire rockets at civilian buildings and slaughter innocent civilians, and maybe if they're lucky a few actual terrorists at random.

The detachment present in the remote (rather than ground combat) approach by Israel doesn't make the outcome any less horrendous. Well, it might for some.

They're both in the wrong, and both using years of historical conflict to drive their own despicable campaigns of hate and violence against civilian populations.

Outsiders supporting one side or the other in this conflict are blinded by their own bias and prejudice.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (18 Oct 2023 12.36pm)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

There is a correct answer. No. You cannot ever justify the killing of 135,000 mainly civilian people. Even more so when years later the detail comes out that the city was in fact of little military significance, despite what was used to justify (there's that word again) it at the time.

I nearly brought Dresden up yesterday. It would have been interesting to understand the propaganda line at the time, and how the atrocity itself was reported, contained and justified.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.