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cryrst Flag The garden of England 18 Nov 21 2.01pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Everyone seems to be missing the real question here which is what is trying to be achieved out of all this?

Do they want to close down sporting clubs because they consider them institutionally racist?

Do they want an apology?

Do they want money?

What is the actual recompense for something that happened 10, 15 years ago and is now being brought to light?

Does this mean that any sportsperson that was abused at school, at college, at club or international level now be entitled to take former friends or colleagues to court because they say they were abused?

Who does this right to take someone to court work for, just the already relatively rich ones who have Sky's support and a platform to promote or does it truly mean that all people can now take themselves off to court and seek compensation of one sort or another?

Lots of questions, very few answers. The cynic in me says this is purely about money but it would be refreshing to see Rafiq stand up and say he doesn't want any money out of this and he just wants an apology. After all, there is little else that can realistically expect when you talk of historic acts such as these.

As an aside trying to get into the Yorkshire cricket team was virtually impossible for anyone white, black, brown or in between until relatively recently unless you were born in Yorkshire. Everyone who played cricket knows this. They did relax the rules, but it was a well known fact. Not sure this point has any real bearing on what happened with Rafiq but worth bearing in mind. I am not sure how the real truth will be decided upon given it is hearsay.

The burden of proof with regard to evidence to provide the exact words and timings of those words will become a legal nightmare to prove one way or another. Also I'm not really sure what outcome the investigation is seeking, perhaps someone can enlighten me.

Money

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Nov 21 2.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290

Yes, most definitely having sold the second of two successful businesses earlier this year that I built from scratch. How about you?

Edited by Orange1290 (18 Nov 2021 1.58pm)

I'm doing alright my man.

I know the difference between envy and jealousy and also how money works.

I like your posts as you feed my not inconsiderable narcissism.

 


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Orange1290 Flag 18 Nov 21 2.05pm Send a Private Message to Orange1290 Add Orange1290 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm doing alright my man.

I know the difference between envy and jealousy and also how money works.

I like your posts as you feed my not inconsiderable narcissism.


I hope you're not jealous of my achievements.

 


Pro China, EU & Palestine

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DanH Flag SW2 18 Nov 21 2.05pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

When I was a normie pre-2016 I was very against much of what Ali said on race. I remember arguing to that effect on Hol a couple of times.

Post 2016 as my views changed I'm came to agree with a fair amount of it.....though saying all white people were devils is ridiculous...but I recognised to an extent the positions had varying degrees of legitimacy.

He was highly intelligent and had a very good sense of humour. Both qualities that make up for a lot in life. Yep, I'm an Ali fan.

It’s cute that you can date your own online radicalisation.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Nov 21 2.08pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290


I hope you're not jealous of my achievements.

Arrrrggh!

 


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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 18 Nov 21 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Money

True, I could have just put that, but I live in hope that this is being done for the greater good and not just because someone wants to make a buck or two.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Nov 21 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

It’s cute that you can date your own online radicalisation.

I'm hardly that radical.

Believing that the early 80s had things about right isn't exactly storming the barricades.

They had by far the best music as well.

I reckon you could probably pass for Adam Ant yourself with a bit of lippy.

 


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mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 18 Nov 21 2.14pm Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend


The press seem to have a bit of trouble themselves:


[Link]

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Nov 21 2.18pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm hardly that radical.

Believing that the early 80s had things about right isn't exactly storming the barricades.

They had by far the best music as well.

I reckon you could probably pass for Adam Ant yourself with a bit of lippy.

As the man once said: Ridicule is nothing to be scared of.

Apparently, that is being challenged now.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Nov 21 2.21pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

As the man once said: Ridicule is nothing to be scared of.

Apparently, that is being challenged now.

Very aptly put.

I haven't seen any snowflakes in November yet but the institutions are snowed in all year round.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Nov 21 2.22pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer


The press seem to have a bit of trouble themselves:


[Link]

Highly symbolic of lazy badly researched journalism.

But of course it's another great excuse to cry racism.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 18 Nov 21 2.22pm

Originally posted by mezzer


The press seem to have a bit of trouble themselves:


[Link]

Mistake or rapier wit?

Though yes, rather unfortunate to (accidentally) be called a rapist by multiple publications.

 

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