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Tickled pink Cornwall 12 Aug 20 5.52pm
Originally posted by HesHereHesThere I think this could be a bit of deja vu. Poor decision making, poor end product, inconsistent...lets sell him to Everton for £40m if they come back in...Wilf can do a "Bolasie" and get found out and then shipped out. Sadly correct.
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Tickled pink

Cornwall 12 Aug 20 5.52pm

Originally posted by HesHereHesThere

I think this could be a bit of deja vu.

Poor decision making, poor end product, inconsistent...lets sell him to Everton for £40m if they come back in...Wilf can do a "Bolasie" and get found out and then shipped out.

Sadly correct.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 12 Aug 20 5.55pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Was he? By his standards maybe. All things are relative. You obviously are one of these people who don't realise what you had till it's gone. I'm not getting into the annual sell Zaha squabble so let's just see what happens. you're on a wind up.
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Tickled pink

Cornwall 12 Aug 20 5.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Was he? By his standards maybe.
All things are relative. You obviously are one of these people who don't realise what you had till it's gone.

I'm not getting into the annual sell Zaha squabble so let's just see what happens.

you're on a wind up.

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Phil’s Barber Crowborough 12 Aug 20 8.39pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Like last season just gone? He was poor. All those back passes as soon as he received the ball. Often only one man on him. Then the occasions when pva is free on an overlap, Wilf ignores him and loses the ball into his marker. Or the January period when he protected himself. Football has changed. Keeping problem people doesn’t work any more, especially at their value and the opportunity cost in having them still around. Hrolf, he sulked like I said he would and you disagreed. Now you’re saying he won’t again. I wasn’t completely right because I said sell at £60-65 mil, but we only received the Arsenal bid of £45 mil spread over 750 transfer windows. We won’t ever hear of anything near £65mil now. What has made me laugh though are the people ssyiwe should’ve sold, but conveniently forgetting the only bid from Arsenal. Parish would’ve looked a right tw&t and been lynched by fans, and more than a few flying pies at half time. I don’t think anyone can say for certain that this was the case because a number of other articles have said we received two bids from Everton, both of which were for more than the Arsenal offer, one of them considerably more. Now I’m not saying we did, because I don’t know, but with equal measure I’m not saying we didn’t, because there are a number of firm reports stating that we did. [Link] Edited by Phil’s Barber (12 Aug 2020 8.39pm)
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Phil’s Barber

Crowborough 12 Aug 20 8.39pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Like last season just gone? He was poor. All those back passes as soon as he received the ball. Often only one man on him. Then the occasions when pva is free on an overlap, Wilf ignores him and loses the ball into his marker. Or the January period when he protected himself. Football has changed. Keeping problem people doesn’t work any more, especially at their value and the opportunity cost in having them still around.

Hrolf, he sulked like I said he would and you disagreed. Now you’re saying he won’t again. I wasn’t completely right because I said sell at £60-65 mil, but we only received the Arsenal bid of £45 mil spread over 750 transfer windows. We won’t ever hear of anything near £65mil now. What has made me laugh though are the people ssyiwe should’ve sold, but conveniently forgetting the only bid from Arsenal. Parish would’ve looked a right tw&t and been lynched by fans, and more than a few flying pies at half time.

I don’t think anyone can say for certain that this was the case because a number of other articles have said we received two bids from Everton, both of which were for more than the Arsenal offer, one of them considerably more.

Now I’m not saying we did, because I don’t know, but with equal measure I’m not saying we didn’t, because there are a number of firm reports stating that we did.

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Edited by Phil’s Barber (12 Aug 2020 8.39pm)

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Phil’s Barber Crowborough 12 Aug 20 8.43pm
Originally posted by ambrose7 2016/17 season he was ranked as the 16th best player in the league with a 7.38 rating. 2017/18 season he was ranked as the 14th best player in the league with a 7.38 rating. 2018/19 season he was ranked as the 20th best player in the league with a 7.21 rating. 2019/20 season he was ranked as the 55th best player in the league with a 6.98 rating. whoscored.com If it's the Zaha from the three previous seasons, I'd fight tooth and nail to keep him. I didn't want him to go last summer. If it's the 19/20 Zaha, and that's all he feels like doing from now on, I'm fairly happy using his wages and transfer fee to give a couple of other players a go. If the last 8 games are anything to go by, him playing at that form and no investment elsewhere sends us down so if the club feels confident that's all we'll get from him, it doesn't feel quite as risky. This ^^^ 100%
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Phil’s Barber

Crowborough 12 Aug 20 8.43pm

Originally posted by ambrose7

2016/17 season he was ranked as the 16th best player in the league with a 7.38 rating.

2017/18 season he was ranked as the 14th best player in the league with a 7.38 rating.

2018/19 season he was ranked as the 20th best player in the league with a 7.21 rating.

2019/20 season he was ranked as the 55th best player in the league with a 6.98 rating.

whoscored.com

If it's the Zaha from the three previous seasons, I'd fight tooth and nail to keep him. I didn't want him to go last summer.

If it's the 19/20 Zaha, and that's all he feels like doing from now on, I'm fairly happy using his wages and transfer fee to give a couple of other players a go. If the last 8 games are anything to go by, him playing at that form and no investment elsewhere sends us down so if the club feels confident that's all we'll get from him, it doesn't feel quite as risky.

This ^^^ 100%

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Ian-VI Vicenza 12 Aug 20 8.56pm
Originally posted by Phil’s Barber I don’t think anyone can say for certain that this was the case because a number of other articles have said we received two bids from Everton, both of which were for more than the Arsenal offer, one of them considerably more. Now I’m not saying we did, because I don’t know, but with equal measure I’m not saying we didn’t, because there are a number of firm reports stating that we did. [Link] Edited by Phil’s Barber (12 Aug 2020 8.39pm) Instead this is probably one of the very few times where one can say for certain that this was the case, because it wasnt' Sky, or the Sun (...) saying it, it was an official statement of Everton FC. So for whatever firm report newspapers made, they didn't bid, at least a second time for sure. The best footie management game: [Link]
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Ian-VI

Vicenza 12 Aug 20 8.56pm

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

Now I’m not saying we did, because I don’t know, but with equal measure I’m not saying we didn’t, because there are a number of firm reports stating that we did.

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Edited by Phil’s Barber (12 Aug 2020 8.39pm)

Instead this is probably one of the very few times where one can say for certain that this was the case, because it wasnt' Sky, or the Sun (...) saying it, it was an official statement of Everton FC.
So for whatever firm report newspapers made, they didn't bid, at least a second time for sure.

The best footie management game: [Link]

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Phil’s Barber Crowborough 12 Aug 20 9.08pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The club will have a price in mind but a chunk of that will go to United thus making his value that much greater as a player as opposed to taking the money. Zaha is probably the most talented player we have ever had. As I have said many times, the idea that we can sell him and replace him with similar talent is a pipe dream. Buying 3 average players with the money will not improve our performances. Cheer up. I'm fairly sure he will go next season. I agree about him probably being the most talented player we’ve ever had but he’s just not produced it of late. One can only survive on past greatness for so long and with this past seasons performances and product that has taken a massive hit. You can have all the talent in the world but if you’re no longer utilising it... He can be good for us if he refinds his mojo but is that actually likely to happen? We know what he’s like!
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Phil’s Barber

Crowborough 12 Aug 20 9.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The club will have a price in mind but a chunk of that will go to United thus making his value that much greater as a player as opposed to taking the money.
Zaha is probably the most talented player we have ever had. As I have said many times, the idea that we can sell him and replace him with similar talent is a pipe dream. Buying 3 average players with the money will not improve our performances.
Cheer up. I'm fairly sure he will go next season.

I agree about him probably being the most talented player we’ve ever had but he’s just not produced it of late. One can only survive on past greatness for so long and with this past seasons performances and product that has taken a massive hit. You can have all the talent in the world but if you’re no longer utilising it...

He can be good for us if he refinds his mojo but is that actually likely to happen? We know what he’s like!

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Phil’s Barber Crowborough 12 Aug 20 9.47pm
Originally posted by Ian-VI Instead this is probably one of the very few times where one can say for certain that this was the case, because it wasnt' Sky, or the Sun (...) saying it, it was an official statement of Everton FC. So for whatever firm report newspapers made, they didn't bid, at least a second time for sure. So they might have bid once then? And if they did they left it at that when we turned down their first offer? Because of course a club are only ever going to make one bid and not follow it up again if the first approach has been turned down. There could be any number of reasons why Everton (or any club for that matter) unsuccessful with the pursuit of a player, are going to conduct matters in private and not be entirely open and transparent with what actually went on, if and when it doesn’t come off. How many times have we heard managers and clubs deny any interest in a player...only to Sign them A few days later? Why are there so many ‘Undisclosed Fees’ as well if clubs are happy for everyone to know the full details of bids and transfer dealings? Transfer negotiations can be very smoke and mirrors so we have to be open minded about what may or may not have gone on and to say categorically that we only ever received one firm bid from Arsenal for £45M last summer is I believe in all probability, not the case, especially when more than one sports writer are on record with specific details that would indicate otherwise. Edited by Phil’s Barber (12 Aug 2020 10.01pm)
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Phil’s Barber

Crowborough 12 Aug 20 9.47pm

Originally posted by Ian-VI

So they might have bid once then?

And if they did they left it at that when we turned down their first offer?

Because of course a club are only ever going to make one bid and not follow it up again if the first approach has been turned down.

There could be any number of reasons why Everton (or any club for that matter) unsuccessful with the pursuit of a player, are going to conduct matters in private and not be entirely open and transparent with what actually went on, if and when it doesn’t come off.

How many times have we heard managers and clubs deny any interest in a player...only to Sign them A few days later?

Why are there so many ‘Undisclosed Fees’ as well if clubs are happy for everyone to know the full details of bids and transfer dealings?

Transfer negotiations can be very smoke and mirrors so we have to be open minded about what may or may not have gone on and to say categorically that we only ever received one firm bid from Arsenal for £45M last summer is I believe in all probability, not the case, especially when more than one sports writer are on record with specific details that would indicate otherwise.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (12 Aug 2020 10.01pm)

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ger20 London 13 Aug 20 5.33pm
Looks like Zaha is going nowhere. Willian to Arsenal on a free means they do no need him. Seems like nobody else does. Everton may but would he sway one mid table club for another and take a drop in wages. Sadly we are lumbered with him and he with us.
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ger20

London 13 Aug 20 5.33pm

Looks like Zaha is going nowhere. Willian to Arsenal on a free means they do no need him. Seems like nobody else does. Everton may but would he sway one mid table club for another and take a drop in wages. Sadly we are lumbered with him and he with us.

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HesHereHesThere Beckenham 13 Aug 20 8.02pm
Originally posted by ger20 Looks like Zaha is going nowhere. Willian to Arsenal on a free means they do no need him. Seems like nobody else does. Everton may but would he sway one mid table club for another and take a drop in wages. Sadly we are lumbered with him and he with us. Thanks you’ve really cheered me up
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Beckenham 13 Aug 20 8.02pm

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Originally posted by ger20

Thanks you’ve really cheered me up

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EddieMac 13 Aug 20 8.12pm
Originally posted by ger20 Looks like Zaha is going nowhere. Willian to Arsenal on a free means they do no need him. Seems like nobody else does. Everton may but would he sway one mid table club for another and take a drop in wages. Sadly we are lumbered with him and he with us. Lumbered with our best player. Il take that.
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EddieMac

13 Aug 20 8.12pm

Originally posted by ger20

Lumbered with our best player. Il take that.

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Putitout Oxford 13 Aug 20 8.29pm
Well there doesn’t seem to be much interest as of yet. Even the media, have only moderate interest. Nothing like the storm they were a big part of last year. Arsenal, and Everton, both quiet .The new agent doesn’t appear to be making waves, either ,so maybe Wilf, has smelt the coffee.
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Putitout

Oxford 13 Aug 20 8.29pm

Well there doesn’t seem to be much interest as of yet.
Even the media, have only moderate interest. Nothing like the storm they were a big part of last year. Arsenal, and Everton, both quiet .The new agent doesn’t appear to be making waves, either ,so maybe Wilf, has smelt the coffee.

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kev64 Cambs 13 Aug 20 9.45pm
Originally posted by Putitout Well there doesn’t seem to be much interest as of yet. Even the media, have only moderate interest. Nothing like the storm they were a big part of last year. Arsenal, and Everton, both quiet .The new agent doesn’t appear to be making waves, either ,so maybe Wilf, has smelt the coffee. He’s on what 120 a week , and a 30 mill plus the usual fees so 5 year contract added your looking at a 60 mill investment. How many clubs outside the top 6 can pay that in this market. Zero Plus none need him .. they have it covered, even his beloved Arsenal. Unless a European team stumps up the cash of Wilf takes a big whack on his take home, I think he blew it with his going through the motion antics instead of showcasing himself after lockdown. A real shame for both club and Wilf , we need the cash and Wilf wants to go, tbh I can’t any serious offers coming in.
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kev64

Cambs 13 Aug 20 9.45pm

Originally posted by Putitout

He’s on what 120 a week , and a 30 mill plus the usual fees so 5 year contract added your looking at a 60 mill investment. How many clubs outside the top 6 can pay that in this market. Zero Plus none need him .. they have it covered, even his beloved Arsenal.

Unless a European team stumps up the cash of Wilf takes a big whack on his take home, I think he blew it with his going through the motion antics instead of showcasing himself after lockdown.

A real shame for both club and Wilf , we need the cash and Wilf wants to go, tbh I can’t any serious offers coming in.

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