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 dannyboy1978  27 Nov 19 8.48pm |
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Are the BBC suggesting we should feel sorry for the lad.
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| Stirlingsays 27 Nov 19 8.56pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Are the BBC suggesting we should feel sorry for the lad. Na....14 man. Too young to condemn, this isn't Thompson or Venables he hadn't murdered a toddler. He might have turned it around....probably not, but he might have.....deserved that chance.
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cryrst  The garden of England 27 Nov 19 9.11pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Na....14 man. Too young to condemn, this isn't Thompson or Venables he hadn't murdered a toddler. He might have turned it around....probably not, but he might have.....deserved that chance. Be honest mate.
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| Stirlingsays 27 Nov 19 9.24pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Be honest mate. I hear what you both are saying and I get it....but it's just too young for me to have zero sympathy. If my kid is 'buying', then as the parent I'm part responsible as he carries my name.
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| dannyboy1978 27 Nov 19 9.27pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Na....14 man. Too young to condemn, this isn't Thompson or Venables he hadn't murdered a toddler. He might have turned it around....probably not, but he might have.....deserved that chance. I lost my father to drugs, im glad that kid is off the streets.
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| Invalid user 2019 27 Nov 19 9.33pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Are the BBC suggesting we should feel sorry for the lad. He's a 14 year old child who was intentionally hit by a car and then stabbed to death. Clearly drug dealing is about the worst decision you can make in life, but at that age does anyone truly have the mental capacity to fully appreciate what they've become part of. It's an age of crap decisions aplenty in one direction or another. He made a terrible choice to get involved in this stuff, but the price he paid for being part of the wrong crowd and making bad choices was clearly way, way beyond anything that was deserved.
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| Stirlingsays 27 Nov 19 9.33pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
I lost my father to drugs, im glad that kid is off the streets. I can't know what you went through but now I get the anger. Life is rough.
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| Invalid user 2019 27 Nov 19 9.36pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
I lost my father to drugs, im glad that kid is off the streets. That's truly terrible, I'm sorry. In his way that child is a victim of that whole dynamic too. Nobody forces anyone to take drugs and nobody forced this kid to sell them. Where to place those in smart suits brainstorming the latest strategy to get millions hooked on cigarettes for the rest of their natural though? How do we view them in comparison to this clueless kid?
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| dannyboy1978 27 Nov 19 9.37pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I can't know what you went through but now I get the anger. Life is rough. It's the families that drugs ruin and that kid had probably already ruined countless lives and families, if one family is saved im glad he is dead.
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| sickboy Deal or Croydon 27 Nov 19 10.52pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Na....14 man. Too young to condemn, this isn't Thompson or Venables he hadn't murdered a toddler. He might have turned it around....probably not, but he might have.....deserved that chance. Then again the knife may have been in his hand against another kid.
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| Invalid user 2019 27 Nov 19 11.53pm |
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Originally posted by sickboy
Then again the knife may have been in his hand against another kid. I'm not sure that we need to conjure up an timeline where this kid is out stabbing people, to justify why this is a fate he somehow deserved. Of course if we view the kid as bad to the core we can easily not give a sh!t, but clearly that isn't likely the full picture and there are surely different considerations to factor in when someone makes bad decisions at 14 than say at 20 odd. Nobody is forced to take drugs and nobody is forced to sell them. Many people in society don't take drugs, those that choose to prop up a demand that wouldn't be there without them. There isn't one side that's pure evil, and one that's victim through and through. They are all people making hopelessly bad decisions that they perceive holds some kind of benefit for them, when in reality it doesn't. To expect someone at 14 to fully grasp what he's becoming part of when he's basically a trumped up delivery boy isn't realistic. It's probably a position he was effectively groomed for and it would be quite easy for a kid with bad guidance, and getting in with the wrong crowd to reason away what he's doing at that age. It's definitely a very bad path for all concerned, but it doesn't make him evil incarnate by any means or deserving of getting stabbed to death. Edited by dollardays (27 Nov 2019 11.56pm)
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| sickboy Deal or Croydon 28 Nov 19 12.05am |
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Originally posted by dollardays
I'm not sure that we need to conjure up an timeline where this kid is out stabbing people, to justify why this is a fate he somehow deserved. Of course if we view the kid as bad to the core we can easily not give a sh!t, but clearly that isn't likely the full picture and there are surely different considerations to factor in when someone makes bad decisions at 14 than say at 20 odd. Nobody is forced to take drugs and nobody is forced to sell them. Many people in society don't take drugs, those that choose to prop up a demand that wouldn't be there without them. There isn't one side that's pure evil, and one that's victim through and through. They are all people making hopelessly bad decisions that they perceive holds some kind of benefit for them, when in reality it doesn't. To expect someone at 14 to fully grasp what he's becoming part of when he's basically a trumped up delivery boy isn't realistic. It's probably a position he was effectively groomed for and it would be quite easy for a kid with bad guidance, and getting in with the wrong crowd to reason away what he's doing at that age. It's definitely a very bad path for all concerned, but it doesn't make him evil incarnate by any means or deserving of getting stabbed to death. Edited by dollardays (27 Nov 2019 11.56pm) You're completely entitled to your view.
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