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Stirlingsays 09 Aug 17 4.04am
Originally posted by Goldfiinger Is that what we should tell Wilf next time he hears monkey noises? Just banter Wilf your not in a library... Sorry but our gay supporters should have to endure those chants just like Wilf shouldn't. Err...sorry but Wilf has to put up with idiots saying idiotic stuff because he's a public figure. We all have to put up with the negatives of freedom of speech in life. Clubs are private companies and can look to ban immature wallies doing things like this. I would warn them first but anti social behaviour ultimately has a sanction. This does not mean that I accept the dangerous idea that 'words are violence'. As for the gay chants, it's similar if a little different, I've previously laid out my position on that and continually having to state it gets a bit old. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Aug 2017 4.05am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Aug 17 4.04am

Originally posted by Goldfiinger

Is that what we should tell Wilf next time he hears monkey noises?

Just banter Wilf your not in a library...

Sorry but our gay supporters should have to endure those chants just like Wilf shouldn't.

Err...sorry but Wilf has to put up with idiots saying idiotic stuff because he's a public figure. We all have to put up with the negatives of freedom of speech in life.

Clubs are private companies and can look to ban immature wallies doing things like this. I would warn them first but anti social behaviour ultimately has a sanction. This does not mean that I accept the dangerous idea that 'words are violence'.

As for the gay chants, it's similar if a little different, I've previously laid out my position on that and continually having to state it gets a bit old.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Aug 2017 4.05am)

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Aray South London 09 Aug 17 6.43am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Err...sorry but Wilf has to put up with idiots saying idiotic stuff because he's a public figure. We all have to put up with the negatives of freedom of speech in life. Clubs are private companies and can look to ban immature wallies doing things like this. I would warn them first but anti social behaviour ultimately has a sanction. This does not mean that I accept the dangerous idea that 'words are violence'. As for the gay chants, it's similar if a little different, I've previously laid out my position on that and continually having to state it gets a bit old. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Aug 2017 4.05am) Eh? What does that have to do with the time of day? So it's fine because he's a public figure? That's surely a corrallary of what you state here. And anyway plenty of black and gay people are verbally abused without being public figures. Dealing with the negatives of free speech does not quite capture the reality of the situation. Old? Not really. Your position appears untenable which is why it is being probed. I say appears because ( in may have missed it to be fair) you've left yourself some wiggle room. Do you think the sanction for racial or homophobic abuse is only worth a warning?
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South London 09 Aug 17 6.43am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Err...sorry but Wilf has to put up with idiots saying idiotic stuff because he's a public figure. We all have to put up with the negatives of freedom of speech in life.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Aug 2017 4.05am)

Eh? What does that have to do with the time of day? So it's fine because he's a public figure? That's surely a corrallary of what you state here. And anyway plenty of black and gay people are verbally abused without being public figures. Dealing with the negatives of free speech does not quite capture the reality of the situation.

Old? Not really. Your position appears untenable which is why it is being probed. I say appears because ( in may have missed it to be fair) you've left yourself some wiggle room. Do you think the sanction for racial or homophobic abuse is only worth a warning?

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 09 Aug 17 6.44am
do you think freedom of speech and expression should be absolute, Stirling? 'say exactly what you think and debate it out' kind of thing? if not, what should the restrictions be? If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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do you think freedom of speech and expression should be absolute, Stirling? 'say exactly what you think and debate it out' kind of thing? if not, what should the restrictions be?

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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Goldfiinger Just down the road 09 Aug 17 7.12am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Err...sorry but Wilf has to put up with idiots saying idiotic stuff because he's a public figure. We all have to put up with the negatives of freedom of speech in life. Clubs are private companies and can look to ban immature wallies doing things like this. I would warn them first but anti social behaviour ultimately has a sanction. This does not mean that I accept the dangerous idea that 'words are violence'. As for the gay chants, it's similar if a little different, I've previously laid out my position on that and continually having to state it gets a bit old. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Aug 2017 4.05am) Hey sterling you should probably check wiki and read what it says on 'hate speach' It's the 21st century London and we have freedom of speach but we also have laws against hate speach. Hate speach laws protect everyone especially minorities from those spreading hate. To hear one of our fans saying. Wilf has to put up with racism due to freedom of speach is just plain wrong. And it's wrong in the laws eyes. Freedom of speach is amazing but we also have hate speach laws to protect people. So no it shouldn't be wilfs problem that he has to put up. It's unacceptable. Shame on anyone in 21st century London that can't yet understand that. South London & Proud
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Just down the road 09 Aug 17 7.12am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Err...sorry but Wilf has to put up with idiots saying idiotic stuff because he's a public figure. We all have to put up with the negatives of freedom of speech in life.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Aug 2017 4.05am)

Hey sterling you should probably check wiki and read what it says on 'hate speach'

It's the 21st century London and we have freedom of speach but we also have laws against hate speach. Hate speach laws protect everyone especially minorities from those spreading hate.

To hear one of our fans saying. Wilf has to put up with racism due to freedom of speach is just plain wrong. And it's wrong in the laws eyes.

Freedom of speach is amazing but we also have hate speach laws to protect people. So no it shouldn't be wilfs problem that he has to put up. It's unacceptable.

Shame on anyone in 21st century London that can't yet understand that.

South London & Proud

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Stirlingsays 09 Aug 17 7.21am
Originally posted by Aray Eh? What does that have to do with the time of day? So it's fine because he's a public figure? That's surely a corrallary of what you state here. And anyway plenty of black and gay people are verbally abused without being public figures. Dealing with the negatives of free speech does not quite capture the reality of the situation. Old? Not really. Your position appears untenable which is why it is being probed. I say appears because ( in may have missed it to be fair) you've left yourself some wiggle room. Do you think the sanction for racial or homophobic abuse is only worth a warning? It's not fine but it's something you should accept as the reality of being a public figure. You can't close down negative views of you because you don't like them....that's a very dangerous path to go down. 'And anyway plenty of black and gay people are verbally abused without being public figures'.....yeah....so are ugly girls, so are conservatives in left wing environments, so are fat people, so are disabled people, so are low IQ people, so are educated people in certain environments as are uneducated people in other environments'. Are you going to stop mean and harsh language are you? Some people are not.....shall I repeat that...not more equal than others. I have already stated and I'll state it again. If the club can identify a person in the ground who is continually shouting stupid abuse then they should warn that person. If they don't stop then they could ban them.....CP are a private business and that is their right. However, we may not like someone's opinions, but words are not 'violence'. When it comes to free speech, we should follow the proven roads.....libel, incitement to violence, obscenity. I've had a word with many a student for inappropriate language...but I would never and won't accuse them of 'violence' because someone else is offended. Outside of libel, incitement to violence, obscenity, I do not support legal action. You may, I don't. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Aug 17 7.21am

Originally posted by Aray

It's not fine but it's something you should accept as the reality of being a public figure. You can't close down negative views of you because you don't like them....that's a very dangerous path to go down.

'And anyway plenty of black and gay people are verbally abused without being public figures'.....yeah....so are ugly girls, so are conservatives in left wing environments, so are fat people, so are disabled people, so are low IQ people, so are educated people in certain environments as are uneducated people in other environments'.

Are you going to stop mean and harsh language are you?

Some people are not.....shall I repeat that...not more equal than others.

I have already stated and I'll state it again. If the club can identify a person in the ground who is continually shouting stupid abuse then they should warn that person. If they don't stop then they could ban them.....CP are a private business and that is their right.

However, we may not like someone's opinions, but words are not 'violence'. When it comes to free speech, we should follow the proven roads.....libel, incitement to violence, obscenity. I've had a word with many a student for inappropriate language...but I would never and won't accuse them of 'violence' because someone else is offended.

Outside of libel, incitement to violence, obscenity, I do not support legal action. You may, I don't.

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Stirlingsays 09 Aug 17 7.25am
Originally posted by Goldfiinger Hey sterling you should probably check wiki and read what it says on 'hate speach' It's the 21st century London and we have freedom of speach but we also have laws against hate speach. Hate speach laws protect everyone especially minorities from those spreading hate. To hear one of our fans saying. Wilf has to put up with racism due to freedom of speach is just plain wrong. And it's wrong in the laws eyes. Freedom of speach is amazing but we also have hate speach laws to protect people. So no it shouldn't be wilfs problem that he has to put up. It's unacceptable. Shame on anyone in 21st century London that can't yet understand that. South London & Proud Shame on you mate. I don't agree with your interpreatio0n of the 'hate speech' laws. They were brought in because of problems with Islamic preachers. People like you want to widen out and restrict others...that was not the intent. Katie Hopkins makes a good living commenting while these 'hate speech' laws exist so I think your interpretation is one that exists in your own head. You can stick your shame where the sun don't shine. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Aug 17 7.25am

Originally posted by Goldfiinger

Hey sterling you should probably check wiki and read what it says on 'hate speach'

It's the 21st century London and we have freedom of speach but we also have laws against hate speach. Hate speach laws protect everyone especially minorities from those spreading hate.

To hear one of our fans saying. Wilf has to put up with racism due to freedom of speach is just plain wrong. And it's wrong in the laws eyes.

Freedom of speach is amazing but we also have hate speach laws to protect people. So no it shouldn't be wilfs problem that he has to put up. It's unacceptable.

Shame on anyone in 21st century London that can't yet understand that.

South London & Proud

Shame on you mate. I don't agree with your interpreatio0n of the 'hate speech' laws. They were brought in because of problems with Islamic preachers. People like you want to widen out and restrict others...that was not the intent. Katie Hopkins makes a good living commenting while these 'hate speech' laws exist so I think your interpretation is one that exists in your own head.

You can stick your shame where the sun don't shine.

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Stirlingsays 09 Aug 17 7.28am
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig do you think freedom of speech and expression should be absolute, Stirling? 'say exactly what you think and debate it out' kind of thing? if not, what should the restrictions be? Haven't you read my stuff on this thread? You really should if you are going to ask something like that because it's been answered lots of times....I've even done it again in my reply before this one. Forgive me if I direct you to that one for what I feel about where freedom of speech should sit. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Aug 17 7.28am

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

do you think freedom of speech and expression should be absolute, Stirling? 'say exactly what you think and debate it out' kind of thing? if not, what should the restrictions be?

Haven't you read my stuff on this thread? You really should if you are going to ask something like that because it's been answered lots of times....I've even done it again in my reply before this one.

Forgive me if I direct you to that one for what I feel about where freedom of speech should sit.

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 09 Aug 17 7.58am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think most sensible people realise that sometimes it's banter and sometimes it isn't. Intent matters. That's a camp comment Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 09 Aug 17 7.58am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think most sensible people realise that sometimes it's banter and sometimes it isn't. Intent matters.

That's a camp comment

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Stirlingsays 09 Aug 17 8.01am
Originally posted by mezzer That's a camp comment Ooh You Are Awful... But I Like You! [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Aug 2017 8.02am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Aug 17 8.01am

Originally posted by mezzer

That's a camp comment

Ooh You Are Awful... But I Like You!

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Aug 2017 8.02am)

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 09 Aug 17 8.19am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Haven't you read my stuff on this thread? You really should if you are going to ask something like that because it's been answered lots of times....I've even done it again in my reply before this one. Forgive me if I direct you to that one for what I feel about where freedom of speech should sit. thanks. to be fair, your specific detailing of your beliefs -- the post you refer me to -- was after my question. I am well aware you are am ardent believer in free speech. if you were that specific earlier then sorry...i just missed it. If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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Wickham de L'Ouest 09 Aug 17 8.19am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Forgive me if I direct you to that one for what I feel about where freedom of speech should sit.

thanks. to be fair, your specific detailing of your beliefs -- the post you refer me to -- was after my question.

I am well aware you are am ardent believer in free speech. if you were that specific earlier then sorry...i just missed it.

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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Stirlingsays 09 Aug 17 8.26am
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig thanks. to be fair, your specific detailing of your beliefs -- the post you refer me to -- was after my question. I am well aware you are am ardent believer in free speech. if you were that specific earlier then sorry...i just missed it. No problem, I've detailed it many times in the thread....and of course it's not just my approach but the approach of many, from liberals to conservatives. I have no issue with different views about it...that's just apart of a healthy society. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Aug 17 8.26am

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

thanks. to be fair, your specific detailing of your beliefs -- the post you refer me to -- was after my question.

I am well aware you are am ardent believer in free speech. if you were that specific earlier then sorry...i just missed it.

No problem, I've detailed it many times in the thread....and of course it's not just my approach but the approach of many, from liberals to conservatives.

I have no issue with different views about it...that's just apart of a healthy society.

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legaleagle 09 Aug 17 9.18am
Stirling,If some kids make monkey noises at a black kid in the playground,what should a teacher do? Do nothing because its wrong to interfere with/censor free speech? Try to educate the abusers as to why racism is stupid If they persist,just let them carry on,or invoke sanctions against the abusers (and please none of this diversionary guff about most teachers being left wing)
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09 Aug 17 9.18am

Stirling,If some kids make monkey noises at a black kid in the playground,what should a teacher do?

Do nothing because its wrong to interfere with/censor free speech?

Try to educate the abusers as to why racism is stupid

If they persist,just let them carry on,or invoke sanctions against the abusers

(and please none of this diversionary guff about most teachers being left wing)

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