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Romford-Eagle Romford 30 Jan 17 3.39am | |
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I don't see the problem, this was one of Trumps pledges before he became President, it did not stop Americans voting for him in their droves. By the way, when's that wall going up;;;;
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jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Jan 17 12.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Romford-Eagle
I don't see the problem, this was one of Trumps pledges before he became President, it did not stop Americans voting for him in their droves. By the way, when's that wall going up;;;; Well no, its not, he was specific about the ban being against Muslims, not specific nations. Aside from the fact that the nations selected have no reasonable rational as to why they're ahead of other nations, it would have been unconstitutional for him to make a ban on religious grounds (US Freedom of Religion). As such, its effectively also a ban on Christians as well as other minority religious groups in those countries which are also facing persecution (very unfortunate if you're a Druze or Christian seeking Asylum in the US, who are being murdered by IS in Syria - the Druze and Christian Syrians make up about 13% of the Syrian Population - but are disproportionate in their experience of persecution by IS). This also doesn't include that fact that the problem the US really has is within the Sunni Sulfi sects of Islam, which typically has its militancy aimed against Sunni Islamists and involved in regional political issues. Of course Sunni Sulfist militants are quite happy to murder Shia and Ismali Muslims - who now cannot claim refuge in the US (despite being allied against IS in Iraq, alongside the US and being non-violent in the case of Ismalis).
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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jan 17 12.39pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well no, its not, he was specific about the ban being against Muslims, not specific nations. Aside from the fact that the nations selected have no reasonable rational as to why they're ahead of other nations, it would have been unconstitutional for him to make a ban on religious grounds (US Freedom of Religion). As such, its effectively also a ban on Christians as well as other minority religious groups in those countries which are also facing persecution (very unfortunate if you're a Druze or Christian seeking Asylum in the US, who are being murdered by IS in Syria - the Druze and Christian Syrians make up about 13% of the Syrian Population - but are disproportionate in their experience of persecution by IS). This also doesn't include that fact that the problem the US really has is within the Sunni Sulfi sects of Islam, which typically has its militancy aimed against Sunni Islamists and involved in regional political issues. Of course Sunni Sulfist militants are quite happy to murder Shia and Ismali Muslims - who now cannot claim refuge in the US (despite being allied against IS in Iraq, alongside the US and being non-violent in the case of Ismalis). Meanwhile another terrorist attack, this time in Canada.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Jan 17 3.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Meanwhile another terrorist attack, this time in Canada. The problem is that you don't necessarily want to stop suspected terrorists entering the country, what you really want to do is be able to identify them entering the country, and track them (and any associates). Restriction on nations doesn't really work that effectively, given that people travelling from places like Yemen, Sudan, Iraq etc are already subject to rather intense immigration and visa requirements. You need really to identify how people are being radicalised, and what grievences are causing people to embark on radicalisation, and address those. You can win a 'war on ideas' with bans, bullets and rhetoric. The Qubec attack was against Muslims, possibly by other Muslims, by people who it seems were Canadian possibly even a Muslim Canadian. In terms of the US, I find it rather weird that the US is so adamant to stop potential terrorists entering the US, and yet utterly rejects any form of gun control and restrictions - An issue that actually results in far more attacks on US soil and costs US civilian lives. Its especially odd given that the US senate recently voted down a bill on preventing people on the terrorist no fly list from owning or purchasing firearms. Which to me, kind of suggests the kind of bulls*** this nonsense is all about.
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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 30 Jan 17 4.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Romford-Eagle
I don't see the problem, this was one of Trumps pledges before he became President, it did not stop Americans voting for him in their droves. By the way, when's that wall going up;;;; When the Mexicans agree to pay for it.
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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jan 17 4.59pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The problem is that you don't necessarily want to stop suspected terrorists entering the country, what you really want to do is be able to identify them entering the country, and track them (and any associates). Restriction on nations doesn't really work that effectively, given that people travelling from places like Yemen, Sudan, Iraq etc are already subject to rather intense immigration and visa requirements. You need really to identify how people are being radicalised, and what grievences are causing people to embark on radicalisation, and address those. You can win a 'war on ideas' with bans, bullets and rhetoric. The Qubec attack was against Muslims, possibly by other Muslims, by people who it seems were Canadian possibly even a Muslim Canadian. In terms of the US, I find it rather weird that the US is so adamant to stop potential terrorists entering the US, and yet utterly rejects any form of gun control and restrictions - An issue that actually results in far more attacks on US soil and costs US civilian lives. Its especially odd given that the US senate recently voted down a bill on preventing people on the terrorist no fly list from owning or purchasing firearms. Which to me, kind of suggests the kind of bulls*** this nonsense is all about. Hard to disagree with any of that.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 30 Jan 17 5.05pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Excuse my ignorance and hopefully I might learn something from you The problem is that you don't necessarily want to stop suspected terrorists entering the country,
Restriction on nations doesn't really work that effectively, given that people travelling from places like Yemen, Sudan, Iraq etc are already subject to rather intense immigration and visa requirements. You need really to identify how people are being radicalised, and what grievences are causing people to embark on radicalisation, and address those. You can win a 'war on ideas' with bans, bullets and rhetoric. The Quebec attack was against Muslims, possibly by other Muslims, by people who it seems were Canadian possibly even a Muslim Canadian. In terms of the US, I find it rather weird that the US is so adamant to stop potential terrorists entering the US, and yet utterly rejects any form of gun control and restrictions - An issue that actually results in far more attacks on US soil and costs US civilian lives. Its especially odd given that the US senate recently voted down a bill on preventing people on the terrorist no fly list from owning or purchasing firearms. Which to me, kind of suggests the kind of bulls*** this nonsense is all about.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Jan 17 5.05pm | |
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Originally posted by bubble wrap
When the Mexicans agree to pay for it. Oh my days! waddaloadacrap. Edited by nickgusset (30 Jan 2017 5.06pm)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Jan 17 5.06pm | |
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Originally posted by bubble wrap
When the Mexicans agree to pay for it. Well that's not going to happen. Little known fact, but the main supply of arms to narco-gangs in Mexico is via the US, where there is a steady supply of firearms that 'are stolen or go missing' and then turn up in Mexico. So the irony, here, is that Americans are complaining about losing low skill, low paid jobs to Mexicans who the Americans are employing as virtual slaves, and the traffic the other way is firearms that have fuelled a civil war that has completely undermined any kind of organised Mexican state. Maybe that's why Mexico might consider funding the wall come to think about it. To keep their murder rate down. The US should just employ a law making it illegal to employ illegal immigrants, and tack on a 2m dollar fine and minimum of 10 years in prison for hiring an illegal workers and you'd soon see a change. Problem isn't the migrants, its the American people paying them.
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steeleye20 Croydon 30 Jan 17 5.11pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Oh my days! waddaloadacrap. Edited by nickgusset (30 Jan 2017 5.06pm) We all think the wall is to prevent illegal migration into the USA from Mexico but I read that in the last 2 months traffic has been more the other way round for the first time ever.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Jan 17 5.20pm | |
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What about Americans going the other way. The border towns in Mexico are quite renown for Americans coming over the border to f**k Mexican women / girls, get wasted, buy drugs, p***. and generally act like pricks. But its the woman coming the other way, to clean your toilet, she's the problem.
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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jan 17 6.15pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
What about Americans going the other way. The border towns in Mexico are quite renown for Americans coming over the border to f**k Mexican women / girls, get wasted, buy drugs, p***. and generally act like pricks. But its the woman coming the other way, to clean your toilet, she's the problem. They do go home afterwards. There are an estimated 11 million Mexican illegals in the US.
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