You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > Jeremy Corbyn
November 25 2024 3.13pm

This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.

Jeremy Corbyn

Previous Topic | Next Topic


Page 336 of 464 < 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 >

  

DulwichFan Flag West Dulwich 20 Apr 17 7.44pm Send a Private Message to DulwichFan Add DulwichFan as a friend

Not sure if this adds to the debate, or should be posted under football talk, but am thinking of chipping in... (and sorry if already posted - I only read back a few pages...)

[Link]

he won't go now till after he and labour are soundly beaten - even then I'm not sure as he hasn't exactly fallen on his sword at any other opportunity! If only he would vacate the position now and let someone like Hillary Benn take on the Tories instead, then Theresa might be given a surprise!

And I don't care for any of the 'democratically elected' stuff - yes but by a flawed system that was exploited - and what does it matter when it's convincing the wider electorate that counts not the internal, already persuaded members?!

 


I long to accomplish a great and noble task, but it is my chief duty to accomplish small tasks as if they were great and noble.
Helen Keller

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Apr 17 7.49pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

He wants to reintroduce Clause 4 'State control of all means of production, distribution and exchange'. How does that differ from communist policy?

Nationalisation of public assets, electricity, water railways etc. Surely better than the way we are being screwed by the likes of southern rail who take taxpayers money dont provide a good service yet still turn a tidy profit.

Where does corbyns help for small business and entrepreneurs fit into your labour = communist twaddle?

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Apr 17 7.55pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Nationalisation of public assets, electricity, water railways etc. Surely better than the way we are being screwed by the likes of southern rail who take taxpayers money dont provide a good service yet still turn a tidy profit.

Where does corbyns help for small business and entrepreneurs fit into your labour = communist twaddle?

It is very annoying to see your yearly pay rise siphoned off by rail network fat cats I agree but at least, and I say this begrudgingly, only train users foot the bill rather than the wider tax payer.
Could the economy really sustain reprivatisation of utilities ?

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Apr 17 7.59pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is very annoying to see your yearly pay rise siphoned off by rail network fat cats I agree but at least, and I say this begrudgingly, only train users foot the bill rather than the wider tax payer.
Could the economy really sustain reprivatisation of utilities ?

Rail privatisation was promoted in the early 1990s in the UK with promises of a better, cheaper service for rail users and reduced taxpayer subsidy. Private rail companies, it was argued, would bring in capital and business expertise which would transform the sector’s performance while competition would drive efficiency and innovation.

Action for Rail has published new analysis which comprehensively debunks these ‘myths’ of rail privatisation. To see the new, short report – The Four Big Myths of UK Rail Privatisation, please click here.

On each of the above measures, UK rail privatisation has been a failure. Today’s railways require billions more in government funding, private investment has failed to materialise and passengers face the highest fares and travel on some of the oldest rolling stock in Europe. Private train operating companies are net recipients of public subsidy while distributing nearly all their operating profits as dividends to the shareholders of their parent companies.

Advocates of rail privatisation adhere to the myth of franchising as a success story for the passenger and the taxpayer. This document busts those myths.

Here are some key facts from the mythbusting report:


Myth 1 – UK rail privatisation has created passenger growth

Growth in rail passenger journeys is driven by three key factors that have nothing to do with train operating companies: longterm growth in GDP, changing commuting patterns as employment has concentrated in major urban areas, particularly in London and the South East, and increase in motoring costs.
The 59 per cent increase in passenger growth on the UK railways has also been stimulated by the 300 per cent increase in public subsidy since privatisation.


Myth 2 – UK rail privatisation has resulted in new investment and innovation

Over 90 per cent of new investment in the railways in recent years has been financed by public sector body Network Rail, and comes mainly from taxpayer funding or government-underwritten borrowing.
Genuine at-risk private investment in the railway in 2010–11 lay somewhere in the range of £100m–£380m, with the figure most probably lying at the lower end. In the same year, other sources of income for the railway – public money and the fare box – contributed £10.6bn.


Myth 3 – UK rail privatisation has resulted in cheaper and better services for passengers

Since rail privatisation in 1995 up to 2015, all tickets (regulated and unregulated) have increased by an average of 117 per cent, or by 24 per cent in real terms.
UK railways are slower and more overcrowded than predominantly publicly owned
rail services in Germany, France, Italy and Spain.


Myth 4 – UK rail privatisation is a better deal for the taxpayer

The cost of running the railway has more than doubled in real terms since privatisation from £2.4bn per year (1990–91 to 1994–95) to approximately £5.4bn per year (2005–06 to 2009–10).
Official figures show that all but one of the private train operators in the UK receive more in subsidies than they return in the form of franchise payments to the government. In 2013–14, the government contributed £3.8bn to the UK rail industry.
The top five recipients of public subsidy alone received almost £3bn in taxpayer support between 2007 and 2011. This allowed them to make operating profits of £504m – over 90 per cent (£466m) of which was paid to shareholders.

[Link]

Ain't right is it?

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Apr 17 8.09pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Rail privatisation was promoted in the early 1990s in the UK with promises of a better, cheaper service for rail users and reduced taxpayer subsidy. Private rail companies, it was argued, would bring in capital and business expertise which would transform the sector’s performance while competition would drive efficiency and innovation.

Action for Rail has published new analysis which comprehensively debunks these ‘myths’ of rail privatisation. To see the new, short report – The Four Big Myths of UK Rail Privatisation, please click here.

On each of the above measures, UK rail privatisation has been a failure. Today’s railways require billions more in government funding, private investment has failed to materialise and passengers face the highest fares and travel on some of the oldest rolling stock in Europe. Private train operating companies are net recipients of public subsidy while distributing nearly all their operating profits as dividends to the shareholders of their parent companies.

Advocates of rail privatisation adhere to the myth of franchising as a success story for the passenger and the taxpayer. This document busts those myths.

Here are some key facts from the mythbusting report:


Myth 1 – UK rail privatisation has created passenger growth

Growth in rail passenger journeys is driven by three key factors that have nothing to do with train operating companies: longterm growth in GDP, changing commuting patterns as employment has concentrated in major urban areas, particularly in London and the South East, and increase in motoring costs.
The 59 per cent increase in passenger growth on the UK railways has also been stimulated by the 300 per cent increase in public subsidy since privatisation.


Myth 2 – UK rail privatisation has resulted in new investment and innovation

Over 90 per cent of new investment in the railways in recent years has been financed by public sector body Network Rail, and comes mainly from taxpayer funding or government-underwritten borrowing.
Genuine at-risk private investment in the railway in 2010–11 lay somewhere in the range of £100m–£380m, with the figure most probably lying at the lower end. In the same year, other sources of income for the railway – public money and the fare box – contributed £10.6bn.


Myth 3 – UK rail privatisation has resulted in cheaper and better services for passengers

Since rail privatisation in 1995 up to 2015, all tickets (regulated and unregulated) have increased by an average of 117 per cent, or by 24 per cent in real terms.
UK railways are slower and more overcrowded than predominantly publicly owned
rail services in Germany, France, Italy and Spain.


Myth 4 – UK rail privatisation is a better deal for the taxpayer

The cost of running the railway has more than doubled in real terms since privatisation from £2.4bn per year (1990–91 to 1994–95) to approximately £5.4bn per year (2005–06 to 2009–10).
Official figures show that all but one of the private train operators in the UK receive more in subsidies than they return in the form of franchise payments to the government. In 2013–14, the government contributed £3.8bn to the UK rail industry.
The top five recipients of public subsidy alone received almost £3bn in taxpayer support between 2007 and 2011. This allowed them to make operating profits of £504m – over 90 per cent (£466m) of which was paid to shareholders.

[Link]

Ain't right is it?

I won't dispute your figures as I have none of my own but it is true that the rail network had to be modernised and that costs a lot of money. British Rail were bywords for inefficiency in the 70's and 80's and tax increases to flog a dead horse is not a vote winner.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 20 Apr 17 8.31pm

Talks a lot of truth if you listen, probably one of the few who does, on the other side we had a pm in cameron letting a company, uber, free role breaking taxi laws as his childs godmother was head of them in uk, even thou they pay no tax, most of there 125000 drivers are not paid minimum wage so get tax credits and rent paid by you, and companys worth 60 billion, big profit in letting taxpayer pay your employees wages, genius! And the chancellor and mayor of london in on the deal, although to be fair to boris he did try and point out it was illegal and wrong, but was shouted down by cameron and six jobs with numerous phone calls and e mails! Jeremy? couldnt be any more useless or corrupt!

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Apr 17 9.22pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I won't dispute your figures as I have none of my own but it is true that the rail network had to be modernised and that costs a lot of money. British Rail were bywords for inefficiency in the 70's and 80's and tax increases to flog a dead horse is not a vote winner.

You are missing the point here that the railways are not privatised, a privately owned business has to stand on its own two feet and then it can make profits.

It cannot be subsidised by the tax-payer that is ridiculous just to give rich pickings to private individuals - just like any other business the private company has to make its own provision for rolling stock and everything involved in their operation but these people think the tax-payer owes them a living.

Profits in the rail industry must be returned to the treasury for the investment in rolling stock and the network to be made.

If only Mr and Mrs Normal realised how much they are being screwed every day of this government.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Apr 17 9.26pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

You are missing the point here that the railways are not privatised, a privately owned business has to stand on its own two feet and then it can make profits.

It cannot be subsidised by the tax-payer that is ridiculous just to give rich pickings to private individuals - just like any other business the private company has to make its own provision for rolling stock and everything involved in their operation but these people think the tax-payer owes them a living.

Profits in the rail industry must be returned to the treasury for the investment in rolling stock and the network to be made.

If only Mr and Mrs Normal realised how much they are being screwed every day of this government.

That is a massive stretch.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Apr 17 9.49pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is a massive stretch.

Railway users don't just get screwed with the price of their tickets they also get screwed paying taxes to them as well.

No stretch at all just how it is.

Don't be ideological if privatisation does not fit change it so that profits are ploughed back into the railways and make sure that is actually done.

It doesn't have to be like the old British Rail image.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
steeleye20 Flag Croydon 23 Apr 17 1.25pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

"This morning we learnt that Jeremy Corbyn would refuse to strike against terrorists, dismantle our nuclear defences and fail to control our borders," said Home Secretary Amber Rudd.

I can see Jeremy's problem over being mis-reported as he actually said the opposite of what Ms Rudd says.

He actually said he would never authorise 'first strike'. That is the position all PMs are in as the missiles can only ever be used in defence.

He also agreed that free movement would end when England and Wales leave the EU shame IMO but that's what he said.

I don't think thousands of viewers will ring to complain as its a given these days that Mrs May and Ms Rudd are not capable of being truthful in any matter including calling the election.

Mrs T hated women in her government I think there were only ever 2 and they were got rid of perhaps this is why.

OK I am anti May and anti Rudd too for that matter but if they stopped lying I would have less reason to be.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
DulwichFan Flag West Dulwich 23 Apr 17 2.05pm Send a Private Message to DulwichFan Add DulwichFan as a friend


Mrs T hated women in her government I think there were only ever 2 and they were got rid of perhaps this is why.

Sorry but have to pull you up on basically saying that all women are liars and can't be trusted! Even if you would qualify it by saying 'in positions of power' or some such excuse, it's a despicable thing to suggest and does you no favour.

 


I long to accomplish a great and noble task, but it is my chief duty to accomplish small tasks as if they were great and noble.
Helen Keller

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
steeleye20 Flag Croydon 23 Apr 17 2.24pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by DulwichFan


Mrs T hated women in her government I think there were only ever 2 and they were got rid of perhaps this is why.

Sorry but have to pull you up on basically saying that all women are liars and can't be trusted! Even if you would qualify it by saying 'in positions of power' or some such excuse, it's a despicable thing to suggest and does you no favour.

No that is exactly what I mean.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply

  

Page 336 of 464 < 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > Jeremy Corbyn