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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Jan 21 8.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Proof with photos? Ever heard of photoshop? These claims started even whilst the rioting was underway. Not everyone agrees:- I have no doubt that the subsequent investigation of the video evidence will identify most of those involved and will be followed by prosecutions and suitable punishment. That will inform us all on who was involved. I suggest we all wait until then but I wouldn't put any money on Antifa being the primary culprits. Maybe not but Antifa members were there in the building. I’m not even trying to say Antifa did it and not trump supporters. It’s just all the hypocrisy and double standards today are quite funny. American politics has moved from theatre to pantomime to WWF wrestling.
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BlueJay UK 07 Jan 21 8.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
This is the best I’ve just seen. There are plenty more. [Tweet Link]
From what I can tell this guy isn't someone pretending to be a Trump supporter at all, or a crisis actor, he's the founder of a civil rights group and was in DC all week following the protests. We could argue that he shouldn't have been there, but he didn't hide the fact at all that he isn't a Trump supporter, and certainly didn't pretend to be one. Indeed he recorded himself inside the building as it all panned out, and had a fairly understanding attitude to the whole situation. Though from the deseret article you posted he seems to be politically opposite but cut from the same cloth behaviour wise as some of these people. That's activists for you! Clearly these people were Trump supporters. And they were there essentially at the behest of the man himself. More sensible supporters likely stayed away, we're seeing the face of the 'diehards'. Edited by BlueJay (07 Jan 2021 8.33pm)
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Mapletree Croydon 07 Jan 21 8.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
One person dies and the country burns. 4 die not much of a stir, I think that is the point Well, to be fair the one person shot appears to have been breaking into a high security location where there was an armed guard whereas the other example was an individual who was not attacking the Police and who got sat upon until his breathing stopped. This lady chose to be the first to go into somewhere where I assume it had been made clear lethal force would be used if she did it. And as there was a large group behind her waiting to follow I think it was always likely someone would get shot. Mind you I am sure another way would have been found in the UK but in the UK it would be unlikely that such a lady would have had armed accomplices just behind her with the possibility that she herself may have been armed.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Jan 21 8.40pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
The whole Trump era is just a case study of what happens when people believe any old sh*t they’re told and read on the internet. Correct but I’d add that the echo chambers created by social media have seen this now happen on a grander scale, lockdowns probably don’t help either. It’s exactly the same for a lot of nonsensical wokism and rise of people genuinely believing there is some virtue in identifying as communists. I don’t use any social media platforms but occasionally have a butchers at Twitter. It would appear you need to be some sort of incel and believe either in identifying as Antifa, Communist and ‘progressive’ or a far right conspiracy devotee in order to have an opinion. Of course, everyone who does not agree with you qualifies as the devil and a ducking idiot in either instance.
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Spiderman Horsham 07 Jan 21 8.46pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
The whole Trump era is just a case study of what happens when people believe any old sh*t they’re told and read on the internet. like you then? Edited by Spiderman (07 Jan 2021 8.46pm)
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Spiderman Horsham 07 Jan 21 8.48pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Just had a look at that Twitter account and it is back to back utter ill informed horse sh*te. Your opinion or proof? Just asking as posters on here insist on having proof on these sort of matters
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Spiderman Horsham 07 Jan 21 8.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Proof with photos? Ever heard of photoshop? These claims started even whilst the rioting was underway. Not everyone agrees:- I have no doubt that the subsequent investigation of the video evidence will identify most of those involved and will be followed by prosecutions and suitable punishment. That will inform us all on who was involved. I suggest we all wait until then but I wouldn't put any money on Antifa being the primary culprits. Maybe you should tell DanH to wait and see then
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DanH SW2 07 Jan 21 8.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Correct but I’d add that the echo chambers created by social media have seen this now happen on a grander scale, lockdowns probably don’t help either. It’s exactly the same for a lot of nonsensical wokism and rise of people genuinely believing there is some virtue in identifying as communists. I don’t use any social media platforms but occasionally have a butchers at Twitter. It would appear you need to be some sort of incel and believe either in identifying as Antifa, Communist and ‘progressive’ or a far right conspiracy devotee in order to have an opinion. Of course, everyone who does not agree with you qualifies as the devil and a ducking idiot in either instance. Yep you’re pretty spot on. The dangerous thing with social media, vloggers etc. is that they can dress up any old b*llocks convincingly and know that people will fall for it. I’m not a huge fan of our media by any stretch but at least they are regulated by fairly sensible media and libel laws that social media isn’t (or to nowhere near the same extent anyway). You’ve had people on both sides of the political spectrum take advantage of it and it really just has led to the rise of the idiot.
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Spiderman Horsham 07 Jan 21 8.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Well, to be fair the one person shot appears to have been breaking into a high security location where there was an armed guard whereas the other example was an individual who was not attacking the Police and who got sat upon until his breathing stopped. This lady chose to be the first to go into somewhere where I assume it had been made clear lethal force would be used if she did it. And as there was a large group behind her waiting to follow I think it was always likely someone would get shot. Mind you I am sure another way would have been found in the UK but in the UK it would be unlikely that such a lady would have had armed accomplices just behind her with the possibility that she herself may have been armed. I wonder if her family will share your sentiments.
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BlueJay UK 07 Jan 21 8.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Your opinion or proof? Just asking as posters on here insist on having proof on these sort of matters Three specific people were said to be ANTIFA pretending to be Trump supporters. One was shown to be a QANON guy, one a known neo nazi, and the third a civil rights activist reporting on the scene. Much like the endless 'its rigged' election examples thrown at the wall it see what would stick, it's best that these imaginary 'antifa' members aren't seen as some kind of a 'freebie' to just throw out there as proof of a point that has no basis. If people keep either making things up, or believing nonsense it is their obligation to review their approach, not others to play Guess Who? There is no requirement to get a firm identity on every single person present, just because some people can't mentally come to terms with the fact that it was clearly Trump supporters storming the senate at his behest.
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Spiderman Horsham 07 Jan 21 8.56pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Yep you’re pretty spot on. The dangerous thing with social media, vloggers etc. is that they can dress up any old b*llocks convincingly and know that people will fall for it. I’m not a huge fan of our media by any stretch but at least they are regulated by fairly sensible media and libel laws that social media isn’t (or to nowhere near the same extent anyway). You’ve had people on both sides of the political spectrum take advantage of it and it really just has led to the rise of the idiot. Never used Twitter never will. You are correct
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BlueJay UK 07 Jan 21 9.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Never used Twitter never will. You are correct Nevermind deleting or not deleting individual accounts. They should delete them all, close down, and nothing of value would be lost .
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