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Lyons550 Shirley 07 Jun 17 11.49am | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Woah guys. Step back. We have an expert talking. It is depressing that a lot of people think the only reason businesses trade in this country is they can get filthy rich and give nothing back. I like to think we have a bit more to offer, dont we? Relatively stable civil society, great culture, history...do none of these things stop a rich person f***ing off if they have to pay a bit more tax? And even under corbyns proposals, corp tax will be 14% lower than America's. So come on mr business expert, why have they not experienced capital flight? TBF...that does cover 95% of businesses.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Jun 17 11.50am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
A pro-austerity economist is certainly a very rare breed these days. We should have you stuffed and put on display. Have a look round the sq mile for thousands more.
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DanH SW2 07 Jun 17 11.53am | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
U ok, hun? Always, but thanks for checking bbz.
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We are goin up! Coulsdon 07 Jun 17 11.54am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
A pro-austerity economist is certainly a very rare breed these days. We should have you stuffed and put on display. There are many reasons for me to vote Conservative. I'm pro responsible spending and certainly pro investment in the right areas. The idea that the Tories are underspending is frankly a nonsense, they're spending a higher proportion of GDP [Link] than New Labour did. What I'm against is killing off small businesses with hikes in corporation tax, raising the minimum wage and abolishing zero hours contracts. I run a small business and I will have to lay off at least one member of staff if he gets in and I am far from an exploitative employer. Getting quite sick of hearing Corbyn say that people like me are the scourge in our society when I've provided jobs to people. It's really as simple as that. Corbyn does not represent the view that I have of the economy and what I think should be done with it. I'm also pro-Brexit and free trade and want to get those policies through. We can genuinely lift African farmers out of extreme poverty by trading with them, there's currently an obscene tariff on their exports meaning they can't trade with us. We get cheaper food, they get good business and become wealthier (and will one day use our financial services), making their government elites less powerful etc etc. That's another argument I suppose. I have many reservations about Theresa May, but the Conservatives in my eyes are the only option at this election.
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Stirlingsays 07 Jun 17 11.54am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
A pro-austerity economist is certainly a very rare breed these days. We should have you stuffed and put on display. Yeah, all those successful businessness run by economic students. I can think of....none actually.
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DanH SW2 07 Jun 17 11.57am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yeah, all those successful businessness run by economic students. I can think of....none actually. Well this is awkward.
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jun 17 12.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yeah, all those successful businessness run by economic students. I can think of....none actually. Come on Stirling.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Jun 17 12.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Hansy
Those on minimum wage are mostly low-skilled labour. So that won't have a huge impact on businesses moving. Agree that there is a huge difference in terms of city capacity compared to London and Dublin. But if a country potentially sees an increase in investment, they will do what is necessary to get them there. Labour are planning minimum wage to be £10 an hour, Ireland is £8.11 an hour. If we don't gain single market access with Corbyn in charge, it will be much more beneficial for financial businesses to set up Ireland offices as an example. That is why I believe the rates are low, to keep investment and add to it just in case the EU deny us the privilege. Edited by Hansy (07 Jun 2017 11.41am) They won't deny us access. It's not in their interests. Labour's policy is to gain single market access. The Tories' policy is not. They don't seem to have an actual policy. Just Brexit means Brexit and No Deal is better than a Bad Deal. Meaningless waffle.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Jun 17 12.04pm | |
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We are going up, Why don't you to take the hit and pay yourself equal to what your employees are on? That's what they expect you to do. Seems worthwhile with all the responsibility and stress.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Jun 17 12.08pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Woah guys. Step back. We have an expert talking. It is depressing that a lot of people think the only reason businesses trade in this country is they can get filthy rich and give nothing back. I like to think we have a bit more to offer, dont we? Relatively stable civil society, great culture, history...do none of these things stop a rich person f***ing off if they have to pay a bit more tax? And even under corbyns proposals, corp tax will be 14% lower than America's. So come on mr business expert, why have they not experienced capital flight? Profits are the index of what people want, not good or bad. Where high profits are being made, there is unsatisfied demand, and the high profits will attract more capital and more energy into meeting it
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Hansy 07 Jun 17 12.12pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
They won't deny us access. It's not in their interests. Labour's policy is to gain single market access. The Tories' policy is not. They don't seem to have an actual policy. Just Brexit means Brexit and No Deal is better than a Bad Deal. Meaningless waffle. Tory have said they will get the best possible deal. They are negotiators. Corbyn just beleives they will get the access they want. Labour are willing to pay the full 100bn quoted, where are they going to get this then? The EU will do what they believe is right to keep the EU in tact. If the UK gets the same deal we had in there or similar, without having to pay the membership fees other countries will follow. Not something they want. No deal is better than a bad deal. If Liverpool wanted 100m for Sakho, should we buy him with the worry we might go under? Crap comparison I know, but it works in a similar way.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Jun 17 12.18pm | |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
There are many reasons for me to vote Conservative. I'm pro responsible spending and certainly pro investment in the right areas. The idea that the Tories are underspending is frankly a nonsense, they're spending a higher proportion of GDP [Link] than New Labour did. What I'm against is killing off small businesses with hikes in corporation tax, raising the minimum wage and abolishing zero hours contracts. I run a small business and I will have to lay off at least one member of staff if he gets in and I am far from an exploitative employer. Getting quite sick of hearing Corbyn say that people like me are the scourge in our society when I've provided jobs to people. It's really as simple as that. Corbyn does not represent the view that I have of the economy and what I think should be done with it. I'm also pro-Brexit and free trade and want to get those policies through. We can genuinely lift African farmers out of extreme poverty by trading with them, there's currently an obscene tariff on their exports meaning they can't trade with us. We get cheaper food, they get good business and become wealthier (and will one day use our financial services), making their government elites less powerful etc etc. That's another argument I suppose. I have many reservations about Theresa May, but the Conservatives in my eyes are the only option at this election. You do realise that the graph showing shorter bars since New Labour left government means they have spent LESS as a % of GDP not more? Also that data is from 2013 and we've moved forward in time 4 years since then? It's fallen every year since 2010 as a % of GDP up to and including this year. Whatsmore our public spending is reasonably small compared to other economies around the world, so it can hardly be described as having been abnormally large. All these cuts, destroying public services, but still they miss every target on the deficit and debt. That simple graph also ignores aspects like the NHS funding gap (aka underfunding) and the cuts in school per pupil budgets and cuts in the police force just to name a couple. Labour's proposal for corporation tax would see CT on SMALL businesses at 20%. I assume you've overlooked that fact? He's actually said the opposite saying that small businesses are the lifeblood of the economy and it's big business that has had an unfair advantage and been exploitative. The increase in minimum wage would enable people to have a proper living wage and Labour have said they would look at providing tax breaks to small businesses impacted. Furthermore improvements in education and productivity resulting from investment in education and training will benefit businesses small and large. Neither party has said anything about specific trade deals, however I would imagine Labour would be more concerned with protecting workers rights while tackling world poverty than the Tories.
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