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W12 15 Jul 19 1.25pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Well that all goes to prove that different people can look at the same scene and see totally different things. I see no racism coming from the "left" or anyone else who opposes Trump. I see plenty of concern about racist tendencies which is completely different. Dismissing objective reports just because they don't match your prejudged narrative is plain stupid, which rather goes to confirm what the report is suggesting. There is overwhelming evidence of why there is a need to counter Trump and all he represents. Those who continue to believe in this style of administration really do need to take a step back and start to see the wood for the forest they have become lost in. Loving your country is not restricted to people who think like you. Self declared "patriots" who want to exclude all those who don't think like them are a danger to their country, and not an asset. Recall Samuel Johnson's famous remark, "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"? It seems there are a lot of scoundrels these days in plain sight and not having to hide in refuges any longer. "There is overwhelming evidence of why there is a need to counter Trump and all he represents" Love the way you can state that as a sweeping fact without actually providing any such evidence. The real evidence is that the political parties and activists on the left (as they have everywhere else including the UK) have lurched much further to the left as so called "anti-facists, communists, anarchists and assorted other left wing extremists have become mainstream. [Link] Any shift to the right is going to be in response to that. Normal people think things like open borders are just madness. Whatever you think of Trump personally like Boris his politics is just another brand of traditional conservative by any reasonable measure.
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W12 15 Jul 19 1.25pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Well that all goes to prove that different people can look at the same scene and see totally different things.

I see no racism coming from the "left" or anyone else who opposes Trump. I see plenty of concern about racist tendencies which is completely different. Dismissing objective reports just because they don't match your prejudged narrative is plain stupid, which rather goes to confirm what the report is suggesting.

There is overwhelming evidence of why there is a need to counter Trump and all he represents. Those who continue to believe in this style of administration really do need to take a step back and start to see the wood for the forest they have become lost in.

Loving your country is not restricted to people who think like you. Self declared "patriots" who want to exclude all those who don't think like them are a danger to their country, and not an asset. Recall Samuel Johnson's famous remark, "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"? It seems there are a lot of scoundrels these days in plain sight and not having to hide in refuges any longer.

"There is overwhelming evidence of why there is a need to counter Trump and all he represents"

Love the way you can state that as a sweeping fact without actually providing any such evidence.

The real evidence is that the political parties and activists on the left (as they have everywhere else including the UK) have lurched much further to the left as so called "anti-facists, communists, anarchists and assorted other left wing extremists have become mainstream.

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Any shift to the right is going to be in response to that. Normal people think things like open borders are just madness. Whatever you think of Trump personally like Boris his politics is just another brand of traditional conservative by any reasonable measure.

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cryrst The garden of England 15 Jul 19 1.26pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 Grant had at least 1 slave. Andrew Johnson National Union (temp name of Republicans) 'Johnson owned a few slaves and was supportive of James K. Polk's slavery policies. As military governor of Tennessee, he convinced Abraham Lincoln to exempt that area from the Emancipation Proclamation.' Not really a fact? Back then grant was a Democrat and it was his wife's slave.
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The garden of England 15 Jul 19 1.26pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

Grant had at least 1 slave.
Andrew Johnson National Union (temp name of Republicans) 'Johnson owned a few slaves and was supportive of James K. Polk's slavery policies. As military governor of Tennessee, he convinced Abraham Lincoln to exempt that area from the Emancipation Proclamation.'

Not really a fact?

Back then grant was a Democrat and it was his wife's slave.

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cryrst The garden of England 15 Jul 19 1.40pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 Grant had at least 1 slave. Andrew Johnson National Union (temp name of Republicans) 'Johnson owned a few slaves and was supportive of James K. Polk's slavery policies. As military governor of Tennessee, he convinced Abraham Lincoln to exempt that area from the Emancipation Proclamation.' Not really a fact? Yes the temp name but not the party. It merged into the Republican party so not truly Republican.
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The garden of England 15 Jul 19 1.40pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

Not really a fact?

Yes the temp name but not the party.
It merged into the Republican party so not truly Republican.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 1.57pm
Originally posted by cryrst The policies of trump have and are benefiting many millions of all creeds and colours. Play the ball not the man. IE I might consider labour if I thought their policy didnt include taking my money from me and giving it to a scrounging no mark. It's the policies wissy not the party. You need to separate that as the Republicans will not have trump for ever but they may stay in power with the same policies. Then it will be the next leaders turn. Isolate those two and you can think logically. Untrue. Trump is just riding the up wave that started under Obama. Nothing he has done himself has made any positive impact on the economy. The tax cuts have benefited the rich, the trade wars have increased prices and damaged confidence and his unnecessary spate with Iran made the world nervous, the impact of all of these is only now beginning to be felt. That though doesn't stop him claiming the credit or his dumb support base believing him. For sure it's the policies that matter. When a dumb guy controls a disfunctional administration which produces dumb policies you tend to get problems. Those next leaders are likely to be Democrats and they will have to pick up the pieces. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 1.57pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The policies of trump have and are benefiting many millions of all creeds and colours.
Play the ball not the man.
IE I might consider labour if I thought their policy didnt include taking my money from me and giving it to a scrounging no mark.
It's the policies wissy not the party.
You need to separate that as the Republicans will not have trump for ever but they may stay in power with the same policies.
Then it will be the next leaders turn.
Isolate those two and you can think logically.

Untrue. Trump is just riding the up wave that started under Obama. Nothing he has done himself has made any positive impact on the economy. The tax cuts have benefited the rich, the trade wars have increased prices and damaged confidence and his unnecessary spate with Iran made the world nervous, the impact of all of these is only now beginning to be felt. That though doesn't stop him claiming the credit or his dumb support base believing him.

For sure it's the policies that matter. When a dumb guy controls a disfunctional administration which produces dumb policies you tend to get problems.

Those next leaders are likely to be Democrats and they will have to pick up the pieces.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 2.06pm
Originally posted by W12 "There is overwhelming evidence of why there is a need to counter Trump and all he represents" Love the way you can state that as a sweeping fact without actually providing any such evidence. The real evidence is that the political parties and activists on the left (as they have everywhere else including the UK) have lurched much further to the left as so called "anti-facists, communists, anarchists and assorted other left wing extremists have become mainstream. [Link] Any shift to the right is going to be in response to that. Normal people think things like open borders are just madness. Whatever you think of Trump personally like Boris his politics is just another brand of traditional conservative by any reasonable measure. OMG. You really want me to provide evidence which is there in plain sight every day. Just go read his Twitter. You really don't need anything more than that. It makes me laugh when the Democrats are described as being on the left! They are much more social democrats than anything resembling true left thought. Sure they support things like dealing with climate change and universal health care but these aren't policies of the left at all. They are just common sense approaches to identifiable problems. And the idea that ANYONE wants open borders is just a Trump myth. No-one wants that. What they want is a humanitarian response to a crisis and not a brutal one. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 2.06pm

Originally posted by W12

"There is overwhelming evidence of why there is a need to counter Trump and all he represents"

Love the way you can state that as a sweeping fact without actually providing any such evidence.

[Link]

OMG. You really want me to provide evidence which is there in plain sight every day. Just go read his Twitter. You really don't need anything more than that.

It makes me laugh when the Democrats are described as being on the left! They are much more social democrats than anything resembling true left thought. Sure they support things like dealing with climate change and universal health care but these aren't policies of the left at all. They are just common sense approaches to identifiable problems.

And the idea that ANYONE wants open borders is just a Trump myth. No-one wants that. What they want is a humanitarian response to a crisis and not a brutal one.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 2.08pm
Originally posted by cryrst It matters a lot as ancestery gets you a passport. In these cases their passports have "Citizen of the United States of America" on them. That's the point! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 2.08pm

Originally posted by cryrst

It matters a lot as ancestery gets you a passport.

In these cases their passports have "Citizen of the United States of America" on them.

That's the point!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 2.10pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 Really don't agree with that. I was born in London but have always considered myself Welsh. I am sure there are many other people who think the same way. As O'Connell/Wellington said "being born in a stable does not make a man a horse.” You can consider yourself whatever you like. You are still a citizen of the United Kingdom just as these ladies are citizens of the USA. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 2.10pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

Really don't agree with that. I was born in London but have always considered myself Welsh. I am sure there are many other people who think the same way. As O'Connell/Wellington said "being born in a stable does not make a man a horse.”

You can consider yourself whatever you like. You are still a citizen of the United Kingdom just as these ladies are citizens of the USA.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 2.13pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Racial cleansing or the world champion England cricket team seeing as how four of them were born outside England. Where you were born is apparently not the deciding factor. No it isn't as you can acquire citizenship after 5 years unblemished residency and a lot of money. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 2.13pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Racial cleansing or the world champion England cricket team seeing as how four of them were born outside England. Where you were born is apparently not the deciding factor.

No it isn't as you can acquire citizenship after 5 years unblemished residency and a lot of money.

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johnno42000 15 Jul 19 2.23pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You can consider yourself whatever you like. You are still a citizen of the United Kingdom just as these ladies are citizens of the USA. If the UK split I would be a Welsh citizen not an English one regardless of where I was born. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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15 Jul 19 2.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You can consider yourself whatever you like. You are still a citizen of the United Kingdom just as these ladies are citizens of the USA.

If the UK split I would be a Welsh citizen not an English one regardless of where I was born.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Teddy Eagle 15 Jul 19 2.23pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No it isn't as you can acquire citizenship after 5 years unblemished residency and a lot of money. Yes. I know. You said where someone is born is what matters. I was just trying to point out that it isn’t.
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Teddy Eagle

15 Jul 19 2.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No it isn't as you can acquire citizenship after 5 years unblemished residency and a lot of money.

Yes. I know. You said where someone is born is what matters. I was just trying to point out that it isn’t.

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johnno42000 15 Jul 19 2.44pm
Originally posted by cryrst Yes the temp name but not the party. It merged into the Republican party so not truly Republican. Grant did own a slave - [Link] As Teddy Eagle pointed out the political party's as we know them today bear little resemblance to the modern day versions. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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johnno42000

15 Jul 19 2.44pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Yes the temp name but not the party.
It merged into the Republican party so not truly Republican.

Grant did own a slave - [Link]

As Teddy Eagle pointed out the political party's as we know them today bear little resemblance to the modern day versions.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Invalid user 2019 15 Jul 19 2.55pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 If the UK split I would be a Welsh citizen not an English one regardless of where I was born. In a more complete sense, where someone is born, grows up and lives may well be something that is important to a persons identity. Most of these ladies tick all three boxes. There is no 'go back home' or 'original' home to go back to. It was always something of a cliche to tell people to 'get back to where you came from' when they actually did come from those places. Let alone when you're holding an opinion about policies of your own country. Edited by dollardays (15 Jul 2019 2.56pm)
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15 Jul 19 2.55pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

If the UK split I would be a Welsh citizen not an English one regardless of where I was born.

In a more complete sense, where someone is born, grows up and lives may well be something that is important to a persons identity.

Most of these ladies tick all three boxes. There is no 'go back home' or 'original' home to go back to. It was always something of a cliche to tell people to 'get back to where you came from' when they actually did come from those places. Let alone when you're holding an opinion about policies of your own country.

Edited by dollardays (15 Jul 2019 2.56pm)

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