May not help anyone BUT in the main they are/were of pakistani origin.....what should we do , describe them as humans...would that be OK??
you refered to them as p*** earlier, how does that help??

Edited by the silurian (23 Apr 2021 4.04pm)

For taking too long to investigate, is what it says!

So long as they aren't breaking the law then describing them as pakistani cricket supporters seems accurate and inoffensive.

I am not in the least reluctant to "admit the heritage"! You, and others, are completely missing the point.

The point is whether it is helpful to class them as such in the context of criminal behaviour?

Does it aid prosecution? Does it deter others? Or does it risk alienating good people by tarnishing them.

If the answers are, no, no and yes then why do it?

No, you are the one denying reality.

No-one denies there is a problem. However, there is a right way to deal with it, which stands a chance of succeeding and a wrong way which is not only just hot air and p*ssing in the wind but will make things worse.

We are where we are with immigration and no amount of wishful thinking or staking out the moral high ground will turn the clock back so we can adopt a different management strategy. We need to deal with what is, and not what isn't.

All I ever hear from people like Yaxley-Lennon, and indeed you and other posters here, are statements of the obvious embellished with emotional calls for more to be done. What I don't hear are any practical, legal steps that could be taken that would improve things more swiftly than the very challenging investigative work being quietly done by an under resourced Police force.

As I said before it's not a crime to be a pakistani so everyone needs to stop describing these men that way. They are criminals. They need to be seen as criminals by everyone, including those in the communities they come from. Tarnish those communities and they will feel more inclined to hide any of their number who are accused.

So stress the criminality and forget everything else. And then argue for greater resources and partnerships with good folk who will be as disgusted as everybody else. Make communities ashamed to know there are criminals in their midst.

That work is being done at local level who despise the attempts made by Yaxley-Lennon to stir things up.

That seems to be a common perception on here and amongst readers of the Sun, Mail and Express.

Is it true though? I seriously doubt it is. There were some policing failures, that much has been established, but a deliberate policy of turning a blind eye to the rape of vulnerable children?

I suspect it was very much more likely that the scale of the problem was not understood and the resources needed to deal with it unavailable.

Promoting racial harmony is a key component to achieving a long term solution so must be part of the strategy but never at the cost of stopping this kind of criminal activity. I cannot believe that any such idea would ever gain traction at any official level.