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Joseph Paxton Lancing 06 Feb 24 1.49pm | |
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Everyone seems to have fallen for the "leak" from the Club, 24hrs after the Brighton game. "Roy is a very naughty boy and he has been told! He's treading on thin ice! He's on his final reprieve". THe board is demonstrating it's concern...and I expect RH to be in charge until the end of his contract.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 06 Feb 24 1.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I respectfully disagree SW. There are many factors in football beyond that on paper. In any instance, I would suggest this team is, 'on paper', a lot more capable than the results and certainly performances we have seen this season. Morale, fitness, coaching, tactics, formation, team selections, substitutions, set pieces, all these things contribute to a football team's performance and you could almost write separate essays on the extent to which each of these things have been shockingly very poor at Palace. I really hate this seemingly accepted sentiment that we have a really sh!t team with only one or two decent players and the discussion stops there with the manager entirely removed as part of the equation. If others disagree they're fully entitled to however the absolute shambolic and pathetic performances we've put in, for me, extends well beyond 'the players are sh!t'. It all stems from the manager as far as I can see. I'm sure many could do far worse, but equally, there has to be a number who could do a lot better. It's the root of the issue, the most easily and perhaps only thing that can be changed in such dire times. All correct observations regarding 'beyond that on paper', but ultimately, you can't do more with less. As per my previous post – a new manager might get them playing more positively but ultimately without our three (now four) most important players, we have no creativity whatsoever. Even the most talented manager in the world isn't getting results from what's currently available, other than draws and losses. The reason we are leaking goals is because we no longer have Doucoure. The reason we are not scoring goals or playing more positively is because we do not have Eze OR Olise. Both of those things are now going to get even worse as Guehi is now out – someone who contributes to positive play and defensive play. This does not change with a new manager. Our team is average and defensive without those four. Play more offensively or high press and you'll get tanked 8-1 by Brighton, rather than 4-1. I'm not saying Roy doesn't need to go, he does. He should never have started the season. But I am saying timing is everything. Changing manager without anyone to come in with the players we have out is currently far worse than keeping him in the position. We did this already in the 90s. The same result will occur here – move from flirting with the drop to guaranteed relegation. The players are not individually s***, but they can't be anything better than average when Eze, Olise, Guehi and Doucoure are out. That's about 200m worth of talent, BTW. Anyone who thinks a midfield of Hughes, Wharton, Schlupp et al will mean we suddenly start getting points on the board against all comers with a new manager (who doesn't exist) is deluded. If they did manage to get someone in at short notice, they'd likely be third choice due to the timing, immediately lock in uber defensive football to make the best of what they have and try and draw their way to safety until the more creative players return, saddling us with someone we don't really want, with no guarantees of things getting better, and costing us a boatload when we inevitably decide that third choice was a bad idea and we should have gone for first. Edited by SW19 CPFC (06 Feb 2024 1.55pm)
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Feb 24 2.14pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
All correct observations regarding 'beyond that on paper', but ultimately, you can't do more with less. As per my previous post – a new manager might get them playing more positively but ultimately without our three (now four) most important players, we have no creativity whatsoever. Even the most talented manager in the world isn't getting results from what's currently available, other than draws and losses. The reason we are leaking goals is because we no longer have Doucoure. The reason we are not scoring goals or playing more positively is because we do not have Eze OR Olise. Both of those things are now going to get even worse as Guehi is now out – someone who contributes to positive play and defensive play. This does not change with a new manager. Our team is average and defensive without those four. Play more offensively or high press and you'll get tanked 8-1 by Brighton, rather than 4-1. I'm not saying Roy doesn't need to go, he does. He should never have started the season. But I am saying timing is everything. Changing manager without anyone to come in with the players we have out is currently far worse than keeping him in the position. We did this already in the 90s. The same result will occur here – move from flirting with the drop to guaranteed relegation. The players are not individually s***, but they can't be anything better than average when Eze, Olise, Guehi and Doucoure are out. That's about 200m worth of talent, BTW. Anyone who thinks a midfield of Hughes, Wharton, Schlupp et al will mean we suddenly start getting points on the board against all comers with a new manager (who doesn't exist) is deluded. If they did manage to get someone in at short notice, they'd likely be third choice due to the timing, immediately lock in uber defensive football to make the best of what they have and try and draw their way to safety until the more creative players return, saddling us with someone we don't really want, with no guarantees of things getting better, and costing us a boatload when we inevitably decide that third choice was a bad idea and we should have gone for first. Edited by SW19 CPFC (06 Feb 2024 1.55pm) If my interpretation of your sentiments is right and proper you are basically stating that as far as this season is concerned "We're doomed" !. Edited by Willo (06 Feb 2024 2.15pm)
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est1905 06 Feb 24 2.23pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
Firstly, you are, of course, entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. It's simply that we disagree. As to what would I like to Hodgson to do (if eh stays): I would like him: 1. to recognize that we are currently unable to be set up to avoid the opposition scoring. That is now 12 consecutive league games in which we have conceded, and in 10 of those games we conceded the first goal scored in the game. And yet, Hodgson still insists on setting us up not to lose. Roy's system worked ok in the first 11 league games - we achieved no fewer than 5 clean sheets but then we lost Doucoure. It should have been obvious fairly quickly thereafter that we didn't have a suitable replacement in our ranks and so a change of system and tactics was required. But not to Hodgson it didn't. Finally, the arrival of both Munoz and Wharton does seem to provide some hope as both are forward thinking players. I hope Hodgson will recognize that and include them from the start of upcoming games. In short, I want Hodgson to set us up to try and win games rather than trying to park the bus. I know we have limited resources but it's clear (to me, and it seems most others who've commented in recent times on this site) that Hodgson's system isn't working and that he doesn't seem to have a Plan B. Edited by doombear (05 Feb 2024 6.20pm) Yes you are right to say we dont agree. You are speaking like you know what you are talking about yet claim Hughes and Shlupp are getting worse. I'm not going to answer any of your points because I cannot be bothered to write a novel and I have better things to do. You seem the type that is determined to disagree regardless anyway.
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est1905 06 Feb 24 2.27pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
Unlike the Charlton fans, I'm not demanding that we go to the next level. That's not a possibility until, inter alia, we upgrade our ground and increase our revenue. My issue with Hodgson is that he seems to have lost it and I simply want someone in who will keep us in this league, something I think Hodgson is no longer equipped to do. The evidence? Not really supporting him now though are you so the highlighted sentance means nothing. I also did not want Roy for another year but felt we should all get behind him. That has to be all season, Not just until things start going wrong.
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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 06 Feb 24 2.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
I don't understand how a person's position can be considered untenable but they can carry on because there's no replacement. come on, this is Palace
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Phil’s Barber Crowborough 06 Feb 24 3.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Perhaps our learned friend who provides all the transfer news, and who is pilloried, has released an 'Exclusive'.
Are you two related, you seem to bring him up in every thread?! That’s not where the similarities end either!
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pssguy 06 Feb 24 3.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglehamster
If finding a replacement is so difficult couldn't Freedman step in temporarily? Roy is effectively a lame duck so surely DF couldn't be any worse? Is there anyone else within the club that could step in? I hear Olise has a couple of months with time on his hands
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Dubai Eagle 06 Feb 24 3.21pm | |
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I think it needs to be someone with the appropriate coaching badges already in place - otherwise I would have suggested Marc Guehi, lol Originally posted by pssguy
I hear Olise has a couple of months with time on his hands
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 06 Feb 24 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
come on, this is Palace I would imagine the relationship between Roy and the medical team would have become pretty untenable. Some serious blame game there.
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PatrickA London 06 Feb 24 4.08pm | |
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There are clearly issues at the club at the moment.
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est1905 06 Feb 24 4.19pm | |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
An excellent post.
There will be other candidates out there that I haven't mentioned or thought of but for me there does not seem to be an obvious improvement on what we currently have out there that is available until the summer which is when Roy will be leaving anyway. I realise some will feel anyone would be an improvement but that is really just silly when you look at Roy's experience.
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