The journalist who initially reported it has backtracked on the claim and not been able to verify it from any sources, so seemingly yes. Not that it's stopped the claim being made hundreds of times over in the days since... the power of misinformation.

Again, my sympathies don't lie with either side who are both committing atrocities - my sympathies lie with the ever-growing list of civilian dead, who many seem to think are fair game.

It is a fact that this particular escalation is a result of Hamas' atrocities - does that make genocide justified, in your opinion? Are Israel within their rights to repeatedly ignore international law because they were attacked first?

Is that what I said?

Also, that is not what I understand "proportionate" to mean.

You have gone wholly to one side. You must now support everything Israel does come what may. It is a very easy position to adopt but simultaneously difficult if you want your views respected. Funnily enough, the US has been doing it for decades.

Edited by silvertop (18 Oct 2023 10.47am)

You are a very brave man to take even that position.

I am no expert on ordnance and have studied no photos, shell fragments etc. and would not know what I was looking at if I had so I cannot take a view.

The hospital was bombed. About 500 killed. I don't think a view can be taken on that figure given the number of people crammed into the hospital and the 100s sheltering there for safety. I suspect a small shell fired by ISIS could have done that damage. Who knows?

The satellite tech is such that Israel will know precisely when rockets are fired at them and a pinpoint to precisely where the rocket was launched from. Thus, they claim to know that there have been 450 mis-fires. That is a fairly accurate number. How do they know that? Answer, they have seen them launched, seen them land and counted them off. If there had been any rockets fired by Palestinians at that time they would know and would know where they landed.

They would also know precisely when they fired any missile and where it landed.

Thus, Israel knows with certainty what missile hit the hospital and if they know so do the US.

If it is as cut and dry as the IDF claim, then open their doors to independent investigators and let the light in. After all, they were not responsible and so have nothing to fear.

Blunt's morality and integrity are zero, perfect for you to be a fan

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

I'll never be able to unthink this now

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.